Who should the NDP choose as an Interim Leader?

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Who should the NDP choose as an Interim Leader?

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NorthReport

Probably not someone who has any leadership asperations to start with.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Um, are they choosing an interim leader??

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Nathan Cullen especially if it means he is not allowed to run to become leader of the NDP.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

One hand giveth, and the other hand taketh away.

terrytowel

Jenny Kwan, she is new, has experience and has no IOU to anyone in the federal party. In short she is neutral

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Jenny would make a good leadership candidate.

terrytowel

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Jenny would make a good leadership candidate.

She doesn't know french

Unionist

What about the Liberals' interim leader? I'm thinking Bob Rae.

Webgear

Can we bring Nycole Turmel back?

wage zombie

I'm happy with Mulcair to continue until we have a new leader.

josh

If he decides not to run, Peter Julian.

Caissa

Tom Mulcair

quizzical

Caissa wrote:
Tom Mulcair

me too.

terrytowel

It is up to the 44 member caucus to decide. If the majority feel he should stay on as leader, then he should stay.

Unionist

quizzical wrote:

Caissa wrote:
Tom Mulcair

me too.

Agreed! Tom and quizzical as co-leaders!

Unionist

terrytowel wrote:

It is up to the 44 member caucus to decide. If the majority feel he should stay on as leader, then he should stay.

Actually, it's the National Council which appoints the interim leader "in consultation" with the caucus. The caucus has no such decision-making power - unless, of course, there's a secret constitution in addition to the public one. Reference: Article VI (3)(a)(iv) of the party constitution.

terrytowel

Unionist wrote:

terrytowel wrote:

It is up to the 44 member caucus to decide. If the majority feel he should stay on as leader, then he should stay.

Actually, it's the National Council which appoints the interim leader "in consultation" with the caucus. The caucus has no such decision-making power - unless, of course, there's a secret constitution in addition to the public one. Reference: Article VI (3)(a)(iv) of the party constitution.

Oh okay my mistake. Thanks for the correction. If National Council (along with caucas) votes to keep him on, then I guess he should stay

Caissa

To the best of my knowledge the NDP still has a leader. The motion passed on Sunday does not change that fact.

josh

"In my view, you know, it's going to be very difficult for Mr. Mulcair to stay on until our next permanent leader is chosen in a year and a half," said Vancouver MP Don Davies.

"We invited Tom to make his case as to why he should lead us and he got 48 per cent and, you know, numbers are real." 

 

http://ipolitics.ca/2016/04/11/despite-crushing-leadership-vote-mulcairs...

Unionist

Caissa wrote:

To the best of my knowledge the NDP still has a leader. The motion passed on Sunday does not change that fact.

You are correct, I believe (because I haven't seen the actual text of the resolution) - although I assume (i.e., I hope) it was held pursuant to this clause of the constitution (Art. VI 3(a)(v)):

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At every convention that is not a leadership convention; a secret ballot vote will be held to determine whether or not a leadership election should be called. If 50% plus one delegate supports the calling of a leadership election, such an election will be held within one year of the convention vote.

The "one year" was changed to "two years" via an emergency resolution.

But unless Mr. Mulcair quits, or is unable to serve for any reason, then until his successor is elected, I see no power in the constitution for the National Council (or anyone else) to remove him.

That's why I've been making frivolous comments in this thread. The premise is silly. But I don't blame anyone for not knowing the rules. When the party has a culture of ignoring its own rules, it tends to spread.

Caissa

A few of us NDP members care about the rules.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

terrytowel wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Jenny would make a good leadership candidate.

She doesn't know french

She is bilingual though.

terrytowel

kropotkin1951 wrote:

terrytowel wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Jenny would make a good leadership candidate.

She doesn't know french

She is bilingual though.

She is fluent in french?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I didn't say she was fluent in French I said she was bilingual.

jjuares

Elizabeth May.....and how about a name change?

The New New Democratic Party of Toronto.

terrytowel

kropotkin1951 wrote:

I didn't say she was fluent in French I said she was bilingual.

The NDP needs a leader who is fluent in both english and french

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

jjuares wrote:

Elizabeth May.....and how about a name change? The New New Democratic Party of Toronto.

Gee I don't think May's party did very well in Toronto but her anti-pipeline stance seems to resonate well with some of the people in BC who don't want pipelines.The Greens got 8.2% of the vote in BC and 2.9% of the vote in Ontario. 

The NDP seats on the West Coast came as result of candidates like Kennedy Stewart opposing the Kinder Morgan pipeline. If the NDP had come out in favour of bitumen pipelines it would have been wiped out on Vancouver Island instead of winning 6 out of 7 seats with E. May taking the last one with 54.4% of the vote.

The pipeline issue would not have changed the results in a single Toronto riding.

NorthReport
robbie_dee

Romeo Saganash has an inspiring personal story and could be a unifying figure, assuming he's not interested in running for the permanent job again.

josh

NorthReport wrote:

This is what Mulcair needs to do ASAP.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/04/11/saskatchewan-ndp-leader-ca...

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NorthReport

Given the result of the vote, most party leaders standing in his place would have issued a terse farewell and been on their way to pursue less thankless challenges. Instead, Tom Mulcair immediately offered to act as the party’s caretaker for up to two years

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/04/12/rational-calculations-aren...

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

terrytowel wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

I didn't say she was fluent in French I said she was bilingual.

The NDP needs a leader who is fluent in both english and french

That is the new view of politics in Canada. Of course that means that if he was alive today Jack Layton would not be eligible since it is obvious being a non French speaker when elected as leader of the NDP would mean his party could never win seats in the province of Quebec.

In fact Jack's French, when he made the break though in Quebec, was not fluent but well rehearsed.  I think that making French fluency a condition restricts the talent poll  available from anywhere in Western Canada. People who speak more than one language can often quickly learn a third language and I think that Jack proves that the good will of learning French goes just as far as actually knowing it before running.

josh

NorthReport wrote:

Given the result of the vote, most party leaders standing in his place would have issued a terse farewell and been on their way to pursue less thankless challenges. Instead, Tom Mulcair immediately offered to act as the party’s caretaker for up to two years

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/04/12/rational-calculations-aren...

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Some even believe he could be amenable to being drafted to run for the job he just lost. 

Wouldn't surprise me. He apparently either has no shame or an overriding lust for power. And his inner circle, and some others, appear to think he's indispensable.

 

Unionist

NorthReport wrote:

This is what Mulcair needs to do ASAP.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/04/11/saskatchewan-ndp-leader-ca...

What... lose his seat and then resign? So you want him to stay till 2019 at least??

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Hopefully the NDP will choose a bonafide leftist...A Socialist and a Marxist who is not ashamed of his or hers politics or policies.

I'm not holding my breath.

Debater

As Chantal Hébert says in her column today, if Mulcair had announced a leadership contest before the vote, he would have been the strongest contender to become leader again:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/04/12/rational-calculations-aren...

josh

Doubt it.

Debater

Mulcar just posted on Twitter:

Until my replacement is chosen, I will work tirelessly in the House & across Canada–because we will always be the party that fights for you.

This weekend’s vote must not divide us. Instead, let’s work together to choose the best person to take our project forward.

https://twitter.com/ThomasMulcair

robbie_dee

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jjuares

Debater wrote:

As Chantal Hébert says in her column today, if Mulcair had announced a leadership contest before the vote, he would have been the strongest contender to become leader again:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/04/12/rational-calculations-aren...


Fantasy at its most outrageous. Didnt she also say in another column that they were expecting 900 at the convention? They may have thrown that bone out to the media but most knowledgeable commentators knew from the facilities ( Shaw Conference Centre) booked that at least 1500 were expected.

jjuares

kropotkin1951 wrote:

jjuares wrote:

Elizabeth May.....and how about a name change? The New New Democratic Party of Toronto.

Gee I don't think May's party did very well in Toronto but her anti-pipeline stance seems to resonate well with some of the people in BC who don't want pipelines.The Greens got 8.2% of the vote in BC and 2.9% of the vote in Ontario. 

The NDP seats on the West Coast came as result of candidates like Kennedy Stewart opposing the Kinder Morgan pipeline. If the NDP had come out in favour of bitumen pipelines it would have been wiped out on Vancouver Island instead of winning 6 out of 7 seats with E. May taking the last one with 54.4% of the vote.

The pipeline issue would not have changed the results in a single Toronto riding.


Thank you. I stand corrected. The name for the party should be, "The New New Democratic Party of Vancouver Island". And yes, I accept your analysis. They won't win any seats in Toronto. However, with their 7 seats from Vancouver Island, they can fill a table in the House of Commons lunchroom. From this strategic perch they can solidify their plans to conduct the multi- national boycott of the Saudis you wrote about as well as devising other schemes for world domination.

Debater

I don't remember Chantal Hébert commenting on the number of people expected at the Convention.

As to the main point, I think she is right that had Mulcair called a leadership contest earlier on, he could have competed to win his own job again.  A few folks here on Babble were even suggesting that he do something like that.

What Hébert is saying is that compared to the other leaderhsip contenders, he would have been the strongest candidate (eg. the one with the most experience, the most fluent in both official languages, etc.).

terrytowel

jjuares wrote:
Thank you. I stand corrected. The name for the party should be, "The New New Democratic Party of Vancouver Island". And yes, I accept your analysis. They won't win any seats in Toronto. However, with their 7 seats from Vancouver Island, they can fill a table in the House of Commons lunchroom. From this strategic perch they can solidify their plans to conduct the multi- national boycott of the Saudis you wrote about as well as devising other schemes for world domination.

But again Elizabeth May said the NDP ran a campaign of FEAR on Vancouver Island. She said NDP people were telling residence of Vancouver Island to vote strategically to get rid of Harper. And not vote for what you want (Green).

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Well JJuares you already have the Liberals or Conservatives to vote for what more could you ask for?

jjuares

Debater wrote:

I don't remember Chantal Hébert commenting on the number of people expected at the Convention.

As to the main point, I think she is right that had Mulcair called a leadership contest earlier on, he could have competed to win his own job again.  A few folks here on Babble were even suggesting that he do something like that.

What Hébert is saying is that compared to the other leaderhsip contenders, he would have been the strongest candidate (eg. the one with the most experience, the most fluent in both official languages, etc.).


You don't remember Chantal writing about the number of delegates expected?!. The link is below. And by the way, and this really is funny. You are the one who originally posted the link.Do you even read the shit you post?
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/04/10/writing-was-on-the-wall-fo...

jjuares

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Well JJuares you already have the Liberals or Conservatives to vote for what more could you ask for?


Hmmm....Is the Christian Heritage Party still going? What about those Flying Yogi guys?

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

If you could fly, would you stick around to run for office??

NorthReport

Yussuff appears to be in touch. 

Union head says signs of Mulcair’s ouster were clear

“He should have read the tea leaves before the convention,” Mr. Yussuff told The Globe and Mail in an interview on Monday.

“It’s not the way he should have gone. It should have been on his own terms … it should have been more dignified.”

Mr. Yussuff was the first labour leader to voice his opposition to Mr. Mulcair’s leadership before the party’s convention last weekend, saying he didn’t deserve another term as NDP Leader. Mr. Yussuff didn’t mention Mr. Mulcair in his speech at the convention, however, saying he didn’t want to make it personal.

Robyn Benson, president of the Public Service Alliance of Canada, came out at the convention saying she wouldn’t support Mr. Mulcair either.

Mr. Yussuff had predicted Mr. Mulcair would win less than 60 per cent of the vote. But that prediction turned starker when Mr. Mulcair won only 48 per cent – automatically triggering a leadership race, although he has vowed to stay on until his replacement is named.

Just as Mr. Mulcair failed to connect with his grassroots, union leaders say the same thing happened with their membership. Even though six major union leaders said they would vote in favour of Mr. Mulcair’s leadership, the unions’ members didn’t all follow suit.

“The labour leaders need to learn from this as well,” Unifor president Jerry Dias, who voted to support Mr. Mulcair’s leadership for at least another two years, said on Monday.

 


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/mulcairs-marginal-presence-...

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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automatically triggering a leadership race, although he has vowed to stay on until his replacement is named.

I'm sure he invoked some deities, and drew a line in the sand with his sword, and said "come at me, bro".  But anyway, I guess he's the interim leader.  Thread question answered, yes?

josh

It's only been two days.

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