Who would sit on a Mulcair front bench?

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Who would sit on a Mulcair front bench?

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Love him or hate him, Thomas Mulcair stands a better than decent shot of becoming NDP leader.

If that does happen, what will the NDP look like?

Who might end up on his front bench?

Who does Mulcair appoint as Quebec Lieutenant?  Who are his deputies? Who does he appoint to key critic areas like finance, trade, health and environment?  Does he reach out to other leadership camps? Should he? Which ones?  How many from Quebec, how many from the ROC?

What do babblers think?  Tell us who you think should be appointed, and who you think will be appointed?

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I'm pretty sure Brian Topp will not be on Mulcair's front bench. Smile

JeffWells

Lou Arab wrote:
Does he reach out to other leadership camps? Should he? Which ones?

I think he should reach out to Dewar's camp by giving plumb jobs to Charlie Angus and Linda Duncan. Dewar, no. I would also hope to see Nash stay in Finance.

Most important I think will be what he does re Libby. I hope she receives a very senior position, and I think Mulcair is smart enough to know it will be good for his leadership if she does.

DSloth

I hope whoever wins realizes this was a strong slate and they each can handle a portfolio. I hope Topp and Singh choose to run next time, I'm sure they'll make star candidates. 

Erik Redburn

Getting a little ahead of yourselves aren't you?

 

 

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Why? We're not Mulcair. Why can't we speculate?

Hunky_Monkey

I don't think he'd have to have a Quebec deputy, Lou. He might reach out to Atlantic Canada with someone like Megan Leslie or Jack Harris... then reach out to someone in the West and BC such as a Peter Julian or Don Davies or Ashton or Cullen. Might have a third deputy from Ontario.

Lord Palmerston

Libby Davies!

nicky

I would expect that just as Tom has stressed continuity with Jack's policies he would largely keep the front bench that Jack assembled. He has run a campaign that has avoided criticism of his rivals so I see no reason why he might marginalize them.

One major addition would surely be Nathan Cullen. For some reason Jack did not put him in the shadow cabinet. I think Tom would rectify this.

The major changes might be expected in Quebec where there are so many new MPs whose strengths and weaknesses will be more fullly apparent in time.

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Hunky_Monkey wrote:
I don't think he'd have to have a Quebec deputy, Lou. He might reach out to Atlantic Canada with someone like Megan Leslie or Jack Harris... then reach out to someone in the West and BC such as a Peter Julian or Don Davies or Ashton or Cullen. Might have a third deputy from Ontario.

Is there not a tradition for this in Quebec? To have a lieutenant who takes care of a lot of the behind the scenes organizing?  I believe Jean Chretien always had one, along with Paul Martin (dispite both leaders representing Quebec seats in Parliament).  A leader has to be in Ottawa and traveling the country, they can't spend the time recruiting candidates and attending perogy dinners (or whatever they serve in PQ).

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Lou Arab wrote:

  A leader has to be in Ottawa and traveling the country, they can't spend the time recruiting candidates and attending perogy dinners (or whatever they serve in PQ).

Surprised

Stockholm

Lou, you are comparing a situation where the Liberals were in power and Chretien was PM and had a "chief political minister for Quebec" with the scenario of the NDP opposition being led by a Quebecer and him potentially having a "deputy leader" who was also from Quebec. I am pretty sure that when Chretien was opposition leader in the early 90s he had no "Quebec deputy leader". Why would he have? He was the leader and he was a Quebecer. Jak never needed a "deputy leader for Ontario" either. I tend to think that if Mulcair becomes leader and if he decides to continue with the tradition of having two deputy leaders (a tradition that is all of three years old !) he would need a woman as well as some one from the west.

JeffWells

nicky wrote:

I would expect that just as Tom has stressed continuity with Jack's policies he would largely keep the front bench that Jack assembled. He has run a campaign that has avoided criticism of his rivals so I see no reason why he might marginalize them.

One major addition would surely be Nathan Cullen. For some reason Jack did not put him in the shadow cabinet. I think Tom would rectify this.

Frankly, the more I see of Cullen, the more I see the wisdom of Jack's omission. Otherwise, I agree with you.

Winston

Boom Boom wrote:

Lou Arab wrote:

  A leader has to be in Ottawa and traveling the country, they can't spend the time recruiting candidates and attending perogy dinners (or whatever they serve in PQ).

Surprised

Poutine?

Winston

Stockholm wrote:

Lou, you are comparing a situation where the Liberals were in power and Chretien was PM and had a "chief political minister for Quebec" with the scenario of the NDP opposition being led by a Quebecer and him potentially having a "deputy leader" who was also from Quebec. I am pretty sure that when Chretien was opposition leader in the early 90s he had no "Quebec deputy leader". Why would he have? He was the leader and he was a Quebecer. Jak never needed a "deputy leader for Ontario" either. I tend to think that if Mulcair becomes leader and if he decides to continue with the tradition of having two deputy leaders (a tradition that is all of three years old !) he would need a woman as well as some one from the west.

Stock: there is a difference between a Québec Lieutenant and a Québec Deputy Leader.  If we're comparing it to the Chrétien government, we might call it a senior Québec Critic.

As for deputy leader(s), I would think that it would come down to people like Megan Leslie, Linda Duncan and Libby Davies, among others (or two of the three, etc). 

DSloth

I don't agree with all of Cullen's plans but he'd be far too effective in Question Period to pass up.  Mulcair says he'll campaign on the need for proportional representation, what better way than with Cullen as the critic for Democratic Reform. 

Wilf Day

Lou Arab wrote:
Who does Mulcair appoint as Quebec Lieutenant?  Who are his deputies?

He should certainly offer the Quebec title to Françoise Boivin. If she declines, Guy Caron.

For Deputy Leader(s), this will make a fascinating statement, an opportunity not to be missed. I vote for Niki Ashton and Nathan Cullen, or possibly Ashton and Saganash.

Howard

Mulcair hasn't really played any cards regarding his shadow cabinet choices, so making a guess as to what they would be is very hard. I think he will go for continuity but more than that I think he will be looking for new discipline (and initiative) from the existing shadow cabinet and that might lead to a shake-up at some point down the road. If Mulcair was going to make any major changes, I would expect he would reduce the size of the shadow cabinet and maybe throw away some of the more symbolic titles in order to try and make it look like a team more equipped to take on the role of government. So I might guess that future shadow cabinets would be more reflective of the actual ministries. It's possible he may also up the premium placed on bilingualism among his shadow cabinet while holding to the existing strategy of trying to have good regional representation and set up some good media match-ups between Conservative and New Democrat shadow ministers. These are my guesses.

KenS

This is more than people getting ahead of themselves.

I was already put off by the growing amount of Mulcair hagiography.

DSloth

KenS wrote:

This is more than people getting ahead of themselves.

I was already put off by the growing amount of Mulcair hagiography.

I'd say it's exactly people getting ahead of themselves, but who each candidate might appoint is a legitamate concern in the Leadership contest particularly since some (well one) of the candidates is starting to name people to those positions. 

samuelolivier

Whoever wins, I hope all of the following MPs will play a key role in our shadow cabinet:

Megan Leslie

Robert Chisolm

Yvon Godin

Jack Harris

Robert Aubin

Guy Caron

Thomas Mulcair

Francoise Boivin

Alexandre Boulerice

Nycole Turmel

Romeo Saganash

Helene Laverdiere

Peggy Nash

Paul Dewar

Charlie Angus

Pat Martin

Niki Ashton

Linda Duncan

Don Davies

Libby Davies

Peter Julian

Nathan Cullen

If Mulcair win, I hope he would reach out to some of them and get a strong woman like Megan Leslie as a deputee leader show another side of the NDP.

Brachina

Mostly the same but with the falling changes, leave Libby as a deputy leader and make Megan Leslie the east coast one. Then make Rathika the associate critic for Ontario issues, Ryan Cleary the same for alantic, Niki Ashton for the paires, and Nathan Cullan for BC, and our northern MP for the territories, Ruth Ellen for Quebec (she is one of the most famous of our new MPs, plus it'll help us keep the seat seeing her getting some status). This is in addition to thier main critic roles. Nash would go back into fincance, Peter Julian back into Industry with Jasbir I think becoming associate critic for industry.
Niki Ashton I would make forgien affairs critic and Helena would go back to international cooperation.
Dewar would go into democractic renewal. Nathan Cullen I'd make House Leader.
Saganash I'd give Native Affairs and Provincial Relations. Not sure what I'd put Linda Duncion on. I'd also add a bunch more depty critic roles, it cost nothing after and takes the stress of the main critics.

adma

Somehow, I can see more of a conciliatory "bygones be bygones" situation than's been the case with the Chretien vs Martin Grits over time...

Mr.Tea

If he wins (and I'm cool if he does), I'd love to see Peggy Nash as deputy leaders. Great Montreal-Toronto axis and two great modern party leaders

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Hunky_Monkey

Mr.Tea wrote:

If he wins (and I'm cool if he does), I'd love to see Peggy Nash as deputy leaders. Great Montreal-Toronto axis and two great modern party leaders

I've love to see someone like Megan Leslie from the East Coast be a deputy leader. And then maybe someone from the West Coast like Peter Julien or Don Davies.

They're really symbolic positions in my view. And let's not forget there are talented folks on the NDP benches who aren't running in the race but would probably do a better job as leader than some folks running :)

Rabble_Incognito

Lou Arab asked "Who does Mulcair appoint as Quebec Lieutenant?  Who are his deputies? Who does he appoint to key critic areas like finance, trade, health and environment?  Does he reach out to other leadership camps? Should he? Which ones?  How many from Quebec, how many from the ROC? What do babblers think?  Tell us who you think should be appointed, and who you think will be appointed?"

Unfortunately Lou I'm ignorant as to the record of the crowd, so I will take the lead of my compatriots here and take most of their pidgeon holing as probably accurate as far as "This skill set works here". I trust the intentions of New Democrats I've read about in the press and listed in this thread.

I think if Mulcair has to choose a team, he needs people around him that are really interested in changing laws and can withstand tough tory criticism when past tory efforts are thwarted by a winning NDP party. So I don't think we need economic technocrats, we've had those with Harper, I think we need good lawyers, and thinkers, who can also hold their ground against the corporations, and I think against corruption, to rewrite laws.