Why we will have a Spring election (con't from earlier thread)

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Fidel

And if they need support from the Blocquistes, I don't think they'll get it this time. Not after threatening to dismantle per vote funding of political parties. It would spell the beginning of the end for the Bloc. I think Duceppe is smarter than that.

The Tories are phoning all over Ontario asking NDPers like me if we support the long gun registry, and would we vote for the Harpers. And I tell 'em, Sssssure! Anything you people say is fine with me. lol

 

ottawaobserver

Lens Solution wrote:

ottawaobserver wrote:

According to Jean Lapierre tonight on Don Martin, Duceppe has pretty well indicated that he's not supporting the budget, and that if he did it would not bode well for his bid to move to the PQ.

I have to say I'm inclined to believe that at this point in time.

Is there any evidence that Duceppe is actually interested in running for the PQ?  I thought he was planning to retire after he stepped down as BQ leader.  After each federal election, the Quebec journalists say that Duceppe has been in politics a long time and is ready to retire to private life.

And there isn't even an opening in the PQ right now that I can see.  Pauline Marois has the leadership and I assume she will keep it until at least the next Quebec election since she has a good chance of becoming Premier.

It would take me a bit of time to find the clippings now, L.S., but there is a lot of dissatisfaction with Marois amongst the luminaries of the PQ, who it is said are regretting not having put their hands on Duceppe last time, and have given him the laying on of hands now. I gather there is a leadership review of Marois slated for April, and should she not survive that intact, it is thought to be better if Duceppe didn't have to worry about having a Bloc succession in the middle of a federal election scare.

Can anyone else help flesh that out with the original references?

ottawaobserver

She also fleshed out that hypothesis on the At Issue panel this past Thursday. I'm inclined to agree with the argument that Parliament has run out of agenda in the current configuration. It would be good for everyone to get a fresh mandate, if you ask me.

http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp4/atissue-020311.mp4

 

KenS

In the final analysis, I agree with OO and Hebert.

But it bears saying that not all is as it appears to be, and we are slated for more of the same rather than fresh mandates- election notwithstanding.

There is a bit of self-fulfilling prophesy to all this... on the part of Harper. The recent more extreme futility Hebert points to is simply the consequence of a government that wants an election. If they did not want an election, there would be openings for compromise. A reason to keep talking.

And the reason the government changed to wanting an election, is because the planets are aligned in a way where the odds are compelling that the worst downside for Harper in having an election now is more of the staus quo that Hebert decries.

KenS

Lens Solution wrote:

Is there any evidence that Duceppe is actually interested in running for the PQ? 

Pauline Marois has the leadership and I assume she will keep it until at least the next Quebec election since she has a good chance of becoming Premier.

I cant provide links to original articles either. But you wont see anything definitive about Duceppe's wishes, since he can hardly say he wants the PQ leadershipeven if he does.

Adding a bit more to what OO said:

There was much grumbling within the PQ about Marois. Very similar to the BC NDP phenomena: the strong sense that given the massive unpopularity of the government, we should be showing better than this, and we would if we had another leader.

That grumbling was put aside when it was said there would be a leadership review. And because Duceppe is in the wings, there is almost nothing that can be said about that in the open. Relevant fact: if Duceppe was uninteretsed, or wanted to bolster Marois he would say unequivocaly that under no conditions is he interested, and that he fulsomely supports Marois. He did not do either of those. Nor has he ever given any indication that he has changed his mind about wanting to lead the PQ. It was obvious that he backed off from seeking to succeed Landry because it did not look good.

The timing now for mim leading the PQ is perfect. And I have never heard of anyone warning him away.

Lens Solution

ottawaobserver wrote:

She also fleshed out that hypothesis on the At Issue panel this past Thursday. I'm inclined to agree with the argument that Parliament has run out of agenda in the current configuration. It would be good for everyone to get a fresh mandate, if you ask me.

http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp4/atissue-020311.mp4

I saw the panel the other night too, and a couple of the people such as Jennifer Ditchburn seemed to be going on about how terrible the poll numbers are for the NDP right now.

I'm not sure if they're quite as bad as they were making out.

 

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Jennifer Ditchburn sounded like a complete ass on P&P Friday. She keeps making sh*t up. She probably thinks if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it - like "how long can the NDP shore up the Conservatives?".

Slumberjack

Boom Boom wrote:
Jennifer Ditchburn sounded like a complete ass on P&P Friday. She keeps making sh*t up. She probably thinks if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it - like "how long can the NDP shore up the Conservatives?".

It's a valid question regardless of the source. 

KenS

Since you think its a valid question, then you could explain for us how.

"How long can the NDP shore up the Conservatives," logically presumes they are doing so now.

Please explain.

Lens Solution

Haven't the Liberals been holding up the Conservatives just as much as the NDP?  Perhaps more.

Now if Layton decides to support the Conservative budget next month, there is the danger that the NDP could find itself being accused of holding up the Cons, but it's premature to blame the NDP until that happens.

KenS

Neither of them has been supporting the Conservatives for some time now- a year?

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The Liberals have allowed almost 100 confidence votes to pass. 

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Closing for length. Start a new one folks!

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