Wife of former leader Stephane Dion lambastes Liberal party on Facebook

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Stockholm

I agree with Chajusong, the way her closing paragraph is worded it is not like she is talking about a hypothetical dream. She says maybe I'm not dreaming - as in "maybe what I'm looking for is right there before my eyes" and quite frankly the words she uses to describe what she wants is a pretty apt description of the NDP

Read her words carefully - "I am looking around me, and certain things are attractive (i.e. they exist right now). Like a dedicated party that doesn't challenge its leader at every hiccup in the polls (sounds like the NDP). A party where the rule would be the principle of pleasure, and not assassination (sounds more or less like the NDP). A party where work ethic and competence would be respected and where smiles would be real. (sounds like the NDP)

Maybe I'm not dreaming.(your not, visit ndp.ca)

I heard Francoise Boivin give a speech about her move from the Liberals to the NDP and she said that one of the best things about being in the NDP was waking up in the morning and NOT having 20 knives stuck in her back!

janfromthebruce

owlyph wrote:

Well people have called up notions of the NDP or even the Greens. Perhaps there'd be an idea for a brand new party. When you consider how Dion won his place leading the Liberals in the first place, and then that he managed to put together the whole coalition option, one thing is pretty clear, he's good at negotiating a certain sort of collaboration.

What if he were to negotiate not a combination of the NDP and Greens but rather convinced both of those parties to become part of an entirely new party? That would ease certain conflicts each might have if they were just to come together on their own, since it would be in service of a new third option. It would also create space for a new leader that didn't have to be a choice between Layton, May, or Dion (and we've seen both Layton and May publicly praise Dion). Finally, it would enable both the NDP and the Greens to leave behind some of the baggage they've been stereotyped as carrying, which seems to prevent them from garnering more votes. This scenario could however, still allow the new party to gain the combined support each would bring (which would altogether be greater than the current Liberal level of support--according to recent polls).

I couldn't resist - and the name of the new party will be called the "new Liberal Party". Considering it is the liberal brand that is damaged, through all dense associations with corporate Canada and making empty promises to get elected. And considering that the Greens haven't got one elected MP, and considering that in the last election Layton was way more popular a leader than either May or Dion why would the NDP party joined this trojan horse???

Sure sounds desperate, for sure. finally the NDP is getting the respect and media coverage it disserves - thanks NDP - you make this social democrat proud!

Sean in Ottawa

It is a possible reading-- but not the only one. You are assuming more care in her writing than may be there. She also thought those things about her husband's leadership at one time and may be referring to that choice the Liberals had.

The inclination to see the NDP in every positive description of what the Liberals could be is natural- for New Dems- but not as obvious for others.

Before your eyes is the NDP fair enough-- before her eyes may be a new leadership for the Liberals. She could just as easily be thinking about Leblanc as leader- especially since he is not part of one camp in spite of having gone to Ignatieff.

I think it is possible that she is speaking of the NDP-- maybe even likely-- but it is not certain and we need to be careful here.

 

Stockholm

I'm not trying to put words in her mouth and only Mme. Krieber knows exactly what she meant to say. But the way i read her words, it sounded like she was referring to seeing something around NOW, not something that she wistfully would like to see in the future.

oldgoat

NorthReport that was an unprovoked and gratuitous attack.  Don't do that again.

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Debater wrote:

peterjcassidy wrote:

JeffWells wrote:

It makes me wonder as well whether there's been some discussion re Dion himself crossing the floor.

I remember Jack praising Dion during the Liberal leadership race as a decent guy, therefore unlikely to win the Liberal race. If Dion did cross, that would be MAJOR part of a MAJOR transformation of the party system, such as the NDP topping  the Liberals  in seat standings and votes after the next election.  WOW

I posted this story because I think Janine makes some good points and it's time for the Liberals to start having some important discussions about their identity and their future and hear some tough talk about their behavior.

But it's also important to be realistic about certain things as sometimes on this board realism tends to get lost.  Janine is unlikely to run for any other party for 2 reasons:  1)  She is married to Dion and he is likely to stay Liberal and I don't think she would want to run for a different party than her husband, and 2) I don't think she is interested in seeking elected office anyway.

As for Dion, it is unlikely he will switch to the NDP either as he considers himself a committed Liberal.  He also occupies a safe seat that is unlikely to go NDP even if he did want to switch.

As often. Debater you make good points. But I think the discussion of Dion or other Liberals crossing the floor to the NDP is significant, just as when there was some talk of Sheila possibly crossing. It indicates a possible realingment of the parties. I'm sure you noted the reference to Martin dissing Chretien and we know what that and stabbing  Sheila meant for the Liberals. I think we may be seeing Act two of that shift with Dion getting dumped t and the internal conflict raging on

Debater

peterjcassidy wrote:

Debater wrote:

peterjcassidy wrote:

JeffWells wrote:

It makes me wonder as well whether there's been some discussion re Dion himself crossing the floor.

I remember Jack praising Dion during the Liberal leadership race as a decent guy, therefore unlikely to win the Liberal race. If Dion did cross, that would be MAJOR part of a MAJOR transformation of the party system, such as the NDP topping  the Liberals  in seat standings and votes after the next election.  WOW

I posted this story because I think Janine makes some good points and it's time for the Liberals to start having some important discussions about their identity and their future and hear some tough talk about their behavior.

But it's also important to be realistic about certain things as sometimes on this board realism tends to get lost.  Janine is unlikely to run for any other party for 2 reasons:  1)  She is married to Dion and he is likely to stay Liberal and I don't think she would want to run for a different party than her husband, and 2) I don't think she is interested in seeking elected office anyway.

As for Dion, it is unlikely he will switch to the NDP either as he considers himself a committed Liberal.  He also occupies a safe seat that is unlikely to go NDP even if he did want to switch.

As often. Debater you make good points. But I think the discussion of Dion or other Liberals crossing the floor to the NDP is significant, just as when there was some talk of Sheila possibly crossing. It indicates a possible realingment of the parties. I'm sure you noted the reference to Martin dissing Chretien and we know what that and stabbing  Sheila meant for the Liberals. I think we may be seeing Act two of that shift with Dion getting dumped t and the internal conflict raging on

Yes, as I think you and I talked about earlier this year, I did not like the way Sheila Copps was treated by Paul Martin and it was what lead me to leave the Liberal Party in 2004 and support the NDP in that year's election.

I agree with Janine's point that the left of centre Liberals in the party have been treated badly by the Martin camp and now the Ignatieff camp and that it is time the Liberals stop doing it or they may lose some of those Liberal-NDP voters to the NDP.

But just as Sheila Copps turned out to be loyal to the Liberal Party even though she was treated badly and decided not to join the NDP, I also think it is unlikely that Dion will join the NDP either.  He is also committed to the Liberal Party even though he hasn't been treated as respectfully as he should have been.

Tommy_Paine

 

Fruit of the poisoned tree should all hang together, anyway.

NorthReport

A bit of background

 

Janine Krieber: l'atout du chef

 

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/elections-federales-2009/partis/par...

NorthReport

La femme de Stéphane Dion critique Ignatieff sur Facebook

 

Janine Krieber, dans un statut Facebook rapidement supprimé, s'interroge sur la capacité de Michael Ignatieff à sortir le Parti libéral de la crise profonde qu'il traverse.

 

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/elections-federales-2009/partis/par...

Lord Palmerston

Janine Krieber is a terrorism and international security expert.  I wonder if she supports the so-called "Afghan mission."

West Coast Lefty

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

she may be speaking about new leadership for the Liberals-- everyone else is -- why not her?

That is not any more hypothetical than anything else

I don't think that is a reasonable interpretation - she clearly says in her blog post that the Liberal party is falling apart and won't recover from the current crisis. That means she is talking about a different party and hints strongly that that party already exists.  Could be the NDP, could be the Greens, knowing that May and Dion had the infamous "deal" in the 2008 election.  Given the Greens are non-existent in Quebec, I'm thinking the NDP is the more likely reference from JK's post, but only she knows for sure.

I agree Dion won't cross the floor to the NDP but I think his position in caucus will be untenable unless he publicly disavows JK's statement, which is something he's very unlikely to do.  It's unimaginable that she would post something of this nature unless she felt that Dion shared her opinion.

Pogo Pogo's picture

My guess is that Dion will disavow as quietly as possible.  Apparently he had a part in the post being removed, so it is not at all clear what his role in its initial posting was.  I would imagine a statement that the post did not match his views with as little clarification as possible will come out from the Dion camp sometime soon.

For the most part the theatrics are mostly energy candy for NDP political junkies.  Having gone down this road over and over again, I am waiting for something of more substance to happen before I get too excited.  Looking at the death of parties in the past, it requires a combination of hatred, incompetence and ridicule for a party to shed core support.  I don't see that yet.

Debater

West Coast Lefty wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

she may be speaking about new leadership for the Liberals-- everyone else is -- why not her?

That is not any more hypothetical than anything else

I don't think that is a reasonable interpretation - she clearly says in her blog post that the Liberal party is falling apart and won't recover from the current crisis. That means she is talking about a different party and hints strongly that that party already exists.  Could be the NDP, could be the Greens, knowing that May and Dion had the infamous "deal" in the 2008 election.  Given the Greens are non-existent in Quebec, I'm thinking the NDP is the more likely reference from JK's post, but only she knows for sure.

I agree Dion won't cross the floor to the NDP but I think his position in caucus will be untenable unless he publicly disavows JK's statement, which is something he's very unlikely to do.  It's unimaginable that she would post something of this nature unless she felt that Dion shared her opinion.

According to most of the reports that came out today, Dion did not want her to post it and did not agree with it.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

...not truly because he disagrees, I'd bet, but because of the tempest in a teapot it was bound to create.

Michelle

NorthReport wrote:

Fuck you Debator.

You post the most unrealistic crap of anybody here here, bar none.

This is so unnecessary.  If you find yourself attacking someone like this regularly, then either step back from the keyboard, or ignore their posts.

Sean in Ottawa

Pogo wrote:

...Looking at the death of parties in the past, it requires a combination of hatred, incompetence and ridicule for a party to shed core support.  I don't see that yet.

This is an important point and the reason parties usually don't die from the opposition benches but usually from government. If a party survives being thrown out of government it is unlikley it will become extinct. The above explains in part why it is parties being thrown out of office that are most at risk. Hard to hate an opposition party-- usually when it is no longer useful you just don't think about it which gives it time to recover.

In the case of the Liberals they are unlikely to go away-- their big risk comes from being passed by the NDP-- this would not kill them but it could relegate them to a third party status that they may not escape. The perfect storm would be for the party to fall behind the NDP and then have an unsuccessful leadership change. So if Ignatieff lead the Liberals to a collapse -- they will likely have one more chance to recover-- the next leader. If that leader is a dud then the party will be done for a generation. In the past the Liberals rarely have had multiple dud leaders in a row.

remind remind's picture

Personally,  think it was all Liberal smoke and mirrors to give the pretense there is a nice, and a left, side to the Liberal Party that needs to be gotten back to.

 

And to increase their public political media presence, while also taking the heat off of Ignatieff and refocusing te knives elsewhere...

 

A couple of days from now the Liberals will have a press conference, or a photo op, assuring everyone they have gotten their act together now and are moving in the right direction.

Scott Piatkowski Scott Piatkowski's picture

NorthReport wrote:
Hey Peter, you're doing one hell of a job since you took over.  How many points are the Liberals going to sink in the polls next week! Laughing 

Well, he said that he had a strategy that involved one of the parties currently in the House polling around ten per cent. He may hitn that target yet, but with his own party.

NorthReport

According to most of the Liberal reports you mean. Laughing

 

Debater wrote:

West Coast Lefty wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

she may be speaking about new leadership for the Liberals-- everyone else is -- why not her?

That is not any more hypothetical than anything else

I don't think that is a reasonable interpretation - she clearly says in her blog post that the Liberal party is falling apart and won't recover from the current crisis. That means she is talking about a different party and hints strongly that that party already exists.  Could be the NDP, could be the Greens, knowing that May and Dion had the infamous "deal" in the 2008 election.  Given the Greens are non-existent in Quebec, I'm thinking the NDP is the more likely reference from JK's post, but only she knows for sure.

I agree Dion won't cross the floor to the NDP but I think his position in caucus will be untenable unless he publicly disavows JK's statement, which is something he's very unlikely to do.  It's unimaginable that she would post something of this nature unless she felt that Dion shared her opinion.

According to most of the reports that came out today, Dion did not want her to post it and did not agree with it.

NorthReport

According to most reports I heard over the weekend this is just another political disaster for the Liberals. It is now just one problem after another coming in constantly for Ignatieff with no letup.

 

Family spat spells more PR misery for Liberals

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/dions-wife-goes-rogue-famil...

NorthReport

This is big news and sure to do lasting damage to the Liberals. The reason being is Krieber is saying what a sizeable portion of the voting public have been observing and thinking ever since Chretien was ousted in a coup by Martin, years ago.

 

As long as you have the Martinites such as Reid, Zed, Ignatieff etc. in control the Liberals might as well join the Conservatives because they are as right-wing as Harper and it's painfully obvious to see.

 

Les indiscrétions de Mme Dion

 

Changement d'allégeance?Janine Krieber, dit amorcer une «réflexion sérieuse» et songe ouvertement à changer de parti.

 

«Je ne veux pas donner ma voix à un parti qui risque de finir dans les poubelles de l'histoire», affirme-t-elle.

Elle souhaite plutôt appuyer une formation qui ne conteste pas son chef à chaque soubresaut dans les sondages, et au sein duquel l'éthique de travail et la compétence sont respectées. Elle conclut en ajoutant: «Je ne rêve peut-être pas.»

Selon Françoise Boivin, ex-députée libérale passée au NPD, cet épisode témoigne du «vent de panique» qui s'est installé au PLC avec la succession de sondages défavorables depuis le mois de septembre. Mais elle assure que sa formation accueillera à bras ouverts les libéraux qui auront déchanté.

«Quand elle a dit qu'elle cherche un parti où l'on ne mange pas les chefs de l'intérieur, on s'est sentis agréablement visés», a indiqué Mme Boivin.

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/...

Chajusong

Chantal Hébert just posted on her blog that the Greens are announcing a new Deputy Leader for Québec in Montréal tomorrow, and she hinted that it'll be Dion. That's disappointing...

NorthReport

Please provide a link

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

GIYF

Quote:
Je n’ai jamais rencontré de parti politique qui corresponde à la description idyllique que faisait Janine Krieber de la formation pour laquelle elle songerait à quitter le Parti libéral du Canada, c’est-à-dire

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“…un parti dédié, qui ne conteste pas son chef à chaque hoquet des sondages. Un parti où la règle serait le principe de plaisir et non l’assassinat. Un parti où l’éthique du travail et de la compétence seraient respectés et où les sourires ne seraient pas factices.”

Mais j’en connais un qui va dévoiler demain à Montréal l’identité d’un nouveau chef-adjoint pour le Québec :

Avis de conférence de presse: Le Parti vert du Canada présente son nouveau chef-adjoint pour le Québec

madmax

Chajusong wrote:
Chantal Hébert just posted on her blog that the Greens are announcing a new Deputy Leader for Québec in Montréal tomorrow, and she hinted that it'll be Dion. That's disappointing...

If this is true it will confirm that Dion is prone to make bad choices. Why would someone want to go from leader of a political party into complete political oblivion

JeffWells

I think Hebert's just teasing and the Green announcement is most likely coincidental. But regardless, I imagine the benefit Dion would bring to either the Greens or the NDP would be marginal compared to the damage his departure would inflict upon the Liberals. It would be a catastrophe.

madmax

Dion does not bring benefits. He is a locomotive looking for a place to derail. This likeable guy is a political  trainwreck. No matter what party he goes to that party will inheret a person that has no political instincts.  He will create some discomfort for the LPC by leaving, but Dion adds nothing to any parties portfolio.  Dion has the unique ability to cause damage to a party he is leaving and damage to the party he arrives at.

Perhaps he is leaving electoral politics.  I cannot see him having the strength to be in a party like the NDP. It would require stepping down and running under the banner.  I cannot see him stepping down and helping the NDP with policy.

However I can see him stepping down leaving electoral politics and attempting to work as a policy advisor to the Green Party.

Not that anything will come of it in the short or long run.

I view this as the 2nd least amount of damage Dion can do.

The least amount of damage would be to resign and leave politics in its entirety. This wouldn't hurt the LPC or anyone else.

I also wonder how Dion is going to pay off his leadership debt?  

NorthReport

Janine Krieber's letter a last gasp as the door shuts on the Liberal left Laughing

 

I'm laughing because what Liberal left is he talking about.

 

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/11/23/...

Bookish Agrarian

I can see a scenario where Dion packs it in and Ms Krieber decides to seek a nominaton or move to support another party.  I don't know about anyone else, but I have never found my spouse to simply be an echo chamber for my views, so I think it is totally sexist to think that Ms Krieber might not have a few thoughts of her own on political matters.

NorthReport

Krieber has obviously touched a nerve with more than a few Liberals.

Liberals awake to new nadir

problems lie at the root of the party's misfortunes: first, weak and divided leadership has made it difficult for the Liberals to re-establish a party machine in French Quebec, in Ontario outside the big cities, in the Lower Mainland of British Columbia, and in winnable Prairie cities such as Regina and Winnipeg.

As a result, the old fissures in the party are re-emerging: the Bob Rae camp chafing at Mr. Ignatieff's alleged ineptitude, the regional wings lacerating the Toronto-centric leader's office.

Second, the Liberals don't stand for anything. Mr. Dion courageously trumpeted an environmental agenda that most voters didn't buy or didn't care about. Mr. Ignatieff, in contrast, speaks of fighting global warming, of reining in the deficit, of making Canada more competitive in global markets.

The Conservatives mouth the same platitudes, but at least they have budgets and legislation to put flesh on the bones of their priorities, which also include an emphasis on law-and-order and a new kind of red-meat patriotism - celebrating the armed forces and offering a robust new definition of citizenship to immigrants hoping to gain it - that the Liberals are unable to respond to.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Stephen Harper has been to India and is soon on his way to China, in part to persuade new Canadians that a Conservative government shares their values and values their votes, threatening a core element of what is left of the Liberal base.

Peter Donolo, Mr. Ignatieff's newly minted chief of staff, no doubt tells himself: here is where we are at; the trajectory can only go up.

It will only go up marginally, however, unless the latest Liberal Leader can conjure a convincing picture of Canada under his leadership - one specific enough for us to imagine it, and to be engaged by it.

For now, people shake their heads over drinks in bars, and share quietly with each other the sentiments Ms. Kreiber shouted out loud.

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/bureau-blog/liberals-awake-to-new-n...

Pogo Pogo's picture

That is a fair point, but Dion has indicated that she was his most trusted political advisor which suggests that their views were somewhat aligned (at one time).

Tommy_Paine

I'm laughing because what Liberal left is he talking about.

 

Well, one advantage the left caucus of the Liberal Party has is that they can all still meet if martial law is declared.

Sean in Ottawa

Tommy_Paine wrote:

I'm laughing because what Liberal left is he talking about.

 

Well, one advantage the left caucus of the Liberal Party has is that they can all still meet if martial law is declared.

you mean they can all meet under the same culvert?

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Dion was replaced because he brought the party down to 26%. Iggy brought it down to 23%. So, when will Iggy be replaced?

Chester Drawers

Boom Boom good one LOL. Good for the goose, good for the gander.

JeffWells

Dion's pledging loyalty to Ignatieff. Or more accurately, Iggy is vouching for Dion's pledge. ("I just spoke to Stephane," yadda yadda.)

 

NDP Leader Jack Layton, meanwhile, dodged questions about whether Krieber has made any overtures about joining his party.

"Well, of course we're watching the conflicts that are going on in the Liberal party. It's kind of hard to avoid. But I'm paying attention to our own party," he said.

"So far, our members and their spouses too, I guess ... seem to be working as a team and we're going to pay attention to that objective."

 

http://www.am1150.ca/news/14/1027024

NorthReport

Wouldn't you love to be listening to the dinner conversation at the Dion-Krieber residence tonite.  Laughing

Sean in Ottawa

How do you know there is any conversation?

Bookish Agrarian

JeffWells wrote:

Dion's pledging loyalty to Ignatieff. Or more accurately, Iggy is vouching for Dion's pledge. ("I just spoke to Stephane," yadda yadda.)

 

NDP Leader Jack Layton, meanwhile, dodged questions about whether Krieber has made any overtures about joining his party.

"Well, of course we're watching the conflicts that are going on in the Liberal party. It's kind of hard to avoid. But I'm paying attention to our own party," he said.

"So far, our members and their spouses too, I guess ... seem to be working as a team and we're going to pay attention to that objective."

 

http://www.am1150.ca/news/14/1027024

Why do the Dion spokesperson-Iggy comments remind me so much of a General Manager of a sports team the day before they trade their player they have so much faith in?

Bookish Agrarian

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

How do you know there is any conversation?

If it is anything like my household someone is quitely slamming around the pots in the kitchen and then almost dropping the plate on the table while they stare off into space.  Not that I have ever had that happen to me mindEmbarassed

Tommy_Paine

you mean they can all meet under the same culvert?

 

Phone booth.   The new kind.

 

They don't even call it the "left"  caucus, they call it the nano-caucus.

NorthReport

I'm curious why the remarks were yanked so quickly from the Facebook page.

But then again, perhaps they weren't. Possibly they had been up there for quite some time, but someone only noticed it recently.

Or maybe either Scott Reid or Paul Zed obtained her Facebook page code, and removed it. Nothing would surprise me coming from either of those two. Tongue out

 

JKR

NorthReport wrote:

Yea, it's so much better when you screw over the people that you're polite about it.

Hatred towards people you disagree with is also a political decision.

Basic human decency is still important in politics, even in our age of cynical wedge issues and hyper-partisanship. One of the things that differentiates the NDP from the Conservatives is the higher level of civility in the NDP. You can tell a lot about a party by its level of civility.  The Conservatives have perfected the art of personal destruction. It's hard to believe there was once a time when Broadbent, Trudeau, and Clark would publicly show respect for each other. This mutual respect helped people believe in the political process and the possibilities of collective action. But the advent of the Reform Party changed all that. The neo-CONS have brought a much greater level of meaness to our political landscape.

But most Canadians have continued to shun the politics of personal destruction. If there's one thing that's kept Harper from a majority, it's been his crude partisanship. In contrast to the neo-CONS, the NDP should show Canadians that the NDP acts in the interests of all Canadians.

This requires treating all Canadians with civility, be they NDP, BQ, Liberal, or Conservative.

bekayne

NorthReport wrote:

I'm curious why the remarks were yanked so quickly from the Facebook page.

But then again, perhaps they weren't. Possibly they had been up there for quite some time, but someone only noticed it recently.

In the note, time stamped 4:16 p.m. Friday

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/outspoken-wife-of-stphane-d...

Steve_Shutt Steve_Shutt's picture

JKR, I think you are right.  Extreme partisanship is never attractive, even if it is in the service of righting old wrongs.

I think a constant campaign in the House of civility would dovetail nicely with Jack's "lets get back to work" campaign.  It conveys a certain maturity and confidence that has the added benefit of infuriating ones opponents.

bekayne

Boom Boom wrote:

Dion was replaced because he brought the party down to 26%. Iggy brought it down to 23%. So, when will Iggy be replaced?

Actually, the lowest the Liberals polled with Dion as leader was 21% when they were tied with the NDP.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

bekayne wrote:

Actually, the lowest the Liberals polled with Dion as leader was 21% when they were tied with the NDP.

I wasn't aware of that! Still, Iggy's 23% is pretty close to Dion's low water mark.

Wilf Day

Odd how the media never quote the most devasting line:

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The Liberal Party is falling apart, and will not recover. Like all liberal parties in Europe, it will become a weakling at the mercy of ephemeral coalitions. By refusing the historic coalition that would have placed it at the helm of the left, it will be punished by history. (Le parti libéral est en pleine déconfiture, il ne s'en remettra pas. Comme tous les partis libéraux d'Europe, il deviendra une pauvre petite chose à la merci des coalitions éphémères. Pour avoir refusé la coalition historique qui pouvait le mettre à la tête de la gauche, il sera puni par l'histoire.)

(Does "une pauvre petite chose" really translate only as "weakling?" It sounds even more scathing to me.)

Which leads to what everyone quotes:

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I am starting a serious reflection. I will not give my voice to a party that will end up in the trashcan of history. I am looking around me, and certain things are attractive. Like a dedicated party that doesn't challenge its leader at every hiccup in the polls. A party where the rule would be the principle of pleasure, and not assassination. A party where work ethic and competence would be respected and where smiles would be real. (J'amorce une réflexion sérieuse. Je ne veux pas donner ma voix à un parti qui risque de finir dans les poubelles de l'histoire. Je regarde autour et il y a certaines choses qui me plaisent. Comme un parti dédié, qui ne conteste pas son chef à chaque hoquet des sondages. Un parti où la règle serait le principe de plaisir et non l'assassinat. Un parti où l'éthique du travail et de la compétence seraient respectés et où les sourires ne seraient pas factices.)

("certain things are attractive?" That could be hypothetical, but she wrote "il y a certaines choses qui me plaisent." "There are certain things . . ." Also "where smiles would be real" seems milder than the bitter "les sourires ne seraient pas factices" -- "smiles would not be fake.")

Back to the main point: "Like all liberal parties in Europe, it will become a weakling at the mercy of ephemeral coalitions. By refusing the historic coalition that would have placed it at the helm of the left, it will be punished by history." Her father was Austrian; she and Dion completed their respective Doctoral degrees at Sciences-Po in Paris. She is predicting the long-overdue collapse of centrism in Canada, and she considers herself a woman of the left, perhaps like those other Sciences-Po alumnae Simone Veil, Ségolène Royal, and Martine Aubry.

This is not a trivial statement, and cannot be so easily erased.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

She sounds to me like the person that should be leading the LPC, not Iggy.

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