Get ready for Justin-mania!

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Aristotleded24

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Justin is starting to self-destruct, video has been released from two years ago where he says that Albertans have too much power and that being a Liberal he thinks Canada needs to have Quebecers running the country!

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2012/11/20121122-...

This is a pretty lethal "gaffe" on his part.

It's disgusting that someone aspiring to lead the country would try to score political points by pitting one region of the country against another. But don't worry, because according to The Great One, the Conservatives are merely taking his words out of context.

jjuares

One of Justin's lines that he uses repeatedly is that Mulcair is pitting region against region. If the NDP is on its game they shoud find a way to throw this back at Justin.

adma

NorthReport wrote:

So what is the de factor LPC leader Trudeau going to say after the LPC lose all 3 by-elections? Curious minds wish to know.

Gained share, or reduced margins, or nosing ahead of the NDP could be default boasts ("hey!  we did well!  we lost, but we did well!)

janfromthebruce

I think the NDP strategy here should be that both old time corporate parties in Canada - Liberal and Conservative like to play dirty politics of smears and personal attacks - it's time to move beyond the same old, same old.

What's humorous is that it's the same Sun media who tried to smear Layton just before the 2011 May election was over but it backfired. I always figured that the smear came from inside the Liberal warroom of Kinsella. Everybody saw through the "smear job" and Jack's numbers went up.

This smear is different because they are using Trudeau's exact words, and it's not out of context. He sounded like an liberal entitled brig, and his stance is to try to say that they are being "unjust" to him.

Both Libs and Cons have learned dirty campaign tactics from one another and those chickens are coming home to roost. Trudeau stepped into this one and his obvious sense of entitlement is getting in the way of being politically smart here.

Make no mistake, after Trudeau lambasted Sun Media by reprimanding a Sun reporter for repeatedly asking him his thoughts on the Durham Liberal candidate using vets as a decoy to fill liberal donation coffers in that race, he now is going to learn all about "not poking" certain media.

Like I said previously, Layton used excellent strategy by going on the new Sun Media TV in that campaign (with Olivia) and being a "good sport" so to speak.

Also, what all this has revealed is that Trudeau Jr. will play regional politics and say whatever to get elected. He just smeared his own character, which in leadership is what counts - integrity - 0; arrogance - 10; humility - 0;

6079_Smith_W

And not just the arrogance. I'm shocked at how naive it was. And just completely baseless and inaccurate. Did he not think anyone would be paying attention? Or that they might not appreciate being talked about that way?

 

 

Howard

6079_Smith_W wrote:

And not just the arrogance. I'm shocked at how naive it was. And just completely baseless and inaccurate. Did he not think anyone would be paying attention? Or that they might not appreciate being talked about that way?

Maybe we should ask Trudeau for his point of view on gypsies, and while we are at it, here is the Calgary Herald rightly calling the Liberal Party out for having their heads so far up in Ontario and Quebec that they can barely see the light of day.

Howard

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The terrible part of this statement isn't even the divisiveness.

(Which, funny enough, is exactly what Harper and Trudeau accused the NDP of doing. All because we pointed out that we shouldn't be married to the oil industry. Apparently if you attack special favors for the oil industry, the other parties are going to hide behind the Alberta voters. Did Mulcair ever say anything like "Canada isn't doing well because of Albertans" or "this country belongs to Quebec")

The terrible part is it shows what some of us have been warning all along: that Trudeau will say literally ANYTHING if he think it will get applause.

On Quebec TV, Alberta is terrible and the country belongs to Quebec.

But then he launches a leadership bid in Alberta, and the other parties are the ones who are too regional. Now Justin is Mr. Unity.

Hating the separatists, then saying he'd want to separate, then criticizing language protections, then supporting bill 101.

Saying "wealth comes with responsibility", then saying we shouldn't "attack success", then saying and doing nothing to roll back the unsustainable Liberal-Conservative tax breaks for the rich.

Pandering to Calgary, then pandering to environmentalists, then promising to stay out of the oilsands, then accusing Harper of not doing anything on the environment.

Does he believe ANYTHING that he says?

I guess his experience as a substitute high school drama teacher is becoming really useful.

janfromthebruce

Howard wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:

And not just the arrogance. I'm shocked at how naive it was. And just completely baseless and inaccurate. Did he not think anyone would be paying attention? Or that they might not appreciate being talked about that way?

Maybe we should ask Trudeau for his point of view on gypsies, and while we are at it, here is the Calgary Herald rightly calling the Liberal Party out for having their heads so far up in Ontario and Quebec that they can barely see the light of day.

While Conservative candidate Joan Crockatt was quick to capitalize on McGuinty’s comments, some pundits think these anti-Alberta comments by high-profile Liberals could consolidate left-of-centre voters toward the Green Party’s Chris Turner or the NDP’s Dan Meades, providing a bit of a gift to those concerned about vote splitting on the left.

Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/Editorial%2BWide%2Bdeep/7597357/story.html#ixzz2D4NvIXq3

 

So very quick to throw a lib under a bus, yeah, that's for sure.

But I have to wonder about Justin's comments of Martin being a "great Liberal PM" - no he wasn't, he of the sponsorship scandal.

Aristotleded24

[url=http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Justin+Trudeau+apologizes+Van... apologizes:[/url]

Quote:
"I'm sorry I said what I did. I was wrong to relate the area of the country that Mr. (Stephen) Harper is from with the people who live there and with the policies that he has that don't represent the values of most Canadians," said Trudeau, who was speaking at the Vancouver Art Gallery, on the final stop of his B.C. tour.

Howard

Aristotleded24 wrote:

[url=http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/politics/Justin+Trudeau+apologizes+Van... apologizes:[/url]

Quote:
"I'm sorry I said what I did. I was wrong to relate the area of the country that Mr. (Stephen) Harper is from with the people who live there and with the policies that he has that don't represent the values of most Canadians," said Trudeau, who was speaking at the Vancouver Art Gallery, on the final stop of his B.C. tour.

Too bad Harper is from Toronto and many Westerners know that.

Harper is from Toronto, lives in Calgary, and cheers for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

mark_alfred

I predict the apology will likely work, and most people will forget the controversy (perhaps not in Alberta, but it will fade from the radar elsewhere).  I also predict that new issues will arise that call into question his and the Liberals' capabilities of governing this country, should he win the leadership (which I'm sure he will).

janfromthebruce

Well I don't know Mark - I would suggest that Trudeau's remarks, although from the past, were very divisive for national unity, and funny, his campaign is centred on national unity - let's square that peg.

Also, Trudeau did a weak apology by suggesting that he's sorry but what I said wasn't really what I meant - Trudeau needed to eat his words - all of them. Coyne stated here

Look: there are differences in values, or at least in priorities, between different regions. Many people in Quebec would share Trudeau’s view of the province’s mission civilisatrice, as indeed do its admirers in the rest of Canada. It’s just hard to square that with a national leadership role — as a practical matter if nothing else.

Whatever the accuracy or otherwise of Trudeau’s views, people in Alberta would be entitled to conclude from them that he did not much care for their province, and to cast their votes accordingly. And people in other parts of the country would be equally entitled to wonder whether this person had the breadth of vision, or the judgement, to be a force for unity, rather than division — to govern for the whole country, rather than a part of it.

NorthReport

It is interesting to see how the msp are falling over themselves making excuses for Trudeau's dumb-ass remarks. But when you are running for the leadership of a party that supports the "boss" as opposed to the "worker" it is quite understandable.

NorthReport
Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

"people in Alberta would be entitled to conclude from them that he did not much care for their province"

You know, he reminds me of his dad. But I think his dad was smarter, and probably a little nicer. I wonder how successful arrogance without depth is. I guess we'll find out. One thing is for sure, based on this, and things like what he said about REB, he isn't a nice guy.

I don't know how well a guy will do governing a country where his philosophy is "if you aren't with us, you're against us". I dont' think his dad had the same. As I said, arrognace without depth may be a deadly combination.

NorthReport

Will the Liberals come 3rd or 4th in Calgary-Centre on Monday?

janfromthebruce

Now the Liberal whine is that the MSM is making a big deal out of Trudeau's blunder of bashing Albertians while they ignore robocon scandal - well you can't have it both ways - MSM Trudeau mania article after article of rah rah and not the down side of the media frenzie.

Justin is so misunderstood. Surprised

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture
Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

 

As I posted elsewhere, arrogance without depth, its a dangerous combination!

 

ETA: If that is what he sounds like when he is trying to channel his dad (blessed behis memory), or Obama, I think Lou is right, he is going to sound really stupid. Talk about trying to speak with gravitus, and failing. Oh by the way, the reporter with the smirk, that was priceless!

David Young

It looks more and more obvious to me that the Liberals would rather have the devil they know as government (Conservatives) than risk having another party become government, and have the Canadian people see that the Liberal Party is no longer necessary on the political scene.

Or can anyone come up with a better explanation for what happened this week?

 

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Nope, I think you are the right. The ONLY thing the Libs are about is power, purely and simply. They'd vote NDP is they thought we might form a government. You are bang on. This is ENTIRELY, about power.

NorthReport

Don't concern yourselves too much with Trudeau. He's no Pierre, and well on the road to self-destruction in the leadership arena. Trudeau's getting his little moment in the sun, but wait until the Calgary-Centre election results come in.

Imagine if he was talking about our province: Quebec commentators chide Trudeau

http://www.montrealgazette.com/entertainment/Imagine+talking+about+provi...

The Liberal MP and leadership candidate blamed the country's problems on Albertans controlling the political agenda in a 2010 French-language television show that resurfaced this week.

The interview didn't make any waves in Quebec when it first aired but some pundits now argue Trudeau was out of line.

One newspaper columnist hypothesized about what would happen if the tables were turned, and Quebec were on the receiving end of such comments.

Yves Boisvert of Montreal's La Presse said Quebecers would be outraged if another high-profile politician made similar statements about their own province.

"We can easily imagine the howls we'd make if a contender for the leadership of a federal party spoke in such generalizing terms about Quebecers," Boisvert said in a column on the newspaper's website.

Boisvert suggested that Trudeau supporters should "start to ask serious questions about the quality of his political judgment, and his judgment in general."

To lump all Albertans together, as traditionally conservative as the province may be, demonstrates a "lack of prudence," Boisvert said.

A writer for the magazine L'Actualite said the comments could hurt Trudeau for a long time to come as he tries to make inroads in Western Canada.

"In one fell swoop, this particular interview revives doubts shared by many in Western Canada about the federal Liberals," Manon Cornellier said in a blog post.

"What should they believe? What Justin Trudeau said only two years ago or what he's saying now, as he seeks their support in his bid for the Liberal Party of Canada."

In the interview on Les francs-tireurs, Trudeau said that "Canada isn't doing well right now because it's Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda."

He also said Canada would be better served if there were more Quebecers than Albertans in charge.

Ippurigakko

Arthur Cramer wrote:

 

As I posted elsewhere, arrogance without depth, its a dangerous combination!

 

ETA: If that is what he sounds like when he is trying to channel his dad (blessed behis memory), or Obama, I think Lou is right, he is going to sound really stupid. Talk about trying to speak with gravitus, and failing. Oh by the way, the reporter with the smirk, that was priceless!

lol i showed it to my friend who flirt Justin, she said

"hahaha, whatever. All politicians act the same way when they want to be elected. lol"

janfromthebruce

Everybody loves Justie especially the NRA - Canada: Liberal leader calls long-gun registry 'a failure'

Unionist

Thank goodness Justin-mania fizzled two years ago... otherwise, we'd have seen lots more posts in this memorable thread!!

[Just doing a year-end Justin review, folks...]

Jacob Two-Two

Whatever, shit disturber. Wink I may provoke lots of dumb arguments lately, but at least I don't try to stir up other people's fights for my own amusement.Tongue out

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