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Brachina

 Toronto, dispite this set back is still key to winning, things turned to shit, but there are still alot of winnable seats in Ontario and by the time the next election rolls around, between Wynne and Trudeau TO should be suffering hard from buyers remorse.

 But a new approach is needed for TO, one has to learn the pyschology of TO, not just stroke its ego by calling it the most important city in Canada, TO already knows that.

 I had a thought, does anyone else think that Trudeau is going to aviod parliament like deadly disease, we will be lucky to ever see him during Question Period.

Sean in Ottawa

pookie wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

My gut feeling is that Harper does not feels so bad --  I think his party did better than he expected.

I don't nec agree with the first part (who knows, really), but definitely the second.  Remember Campbell?

By not feeling so bad, I meant that he knew this was coming and the blow is not as deep as he thought.

His party was at risk of losing southern Ontario -- if they had it would have been back to Preston Manning days. 

Northern PoV

One of Harper's "PET" projects was to destroy the Liberal Party. Knowing he could not likely win a majority, Harper would have been happy losing out-right to the NDP or losing gov't to the NDP as the second party if he won a plurality.

In the UK, BC and other places, when the middle party has been vanquished the right wing predominates therafter.

That was Harper's plan.  He didn't attck Trudeau from fear, he thought he could peramantly remove Libs from the Canadian equation and secure a better long term future for his party.

This is his worst nightmare and as others have said ... Harper wakes up in a City with a leftie Mayor, a province with a leftie Premier and a Canada under Trudeau.  Schadenfreude in spades

jjuares

Brachina wrote:

 Toronto, dispite this set back is still key to winning, things turned to shit, but there are still alot of winnable seats in Ontario and by the time the next election rolls around, between Wynne and Trudeau TO should be suffering hard from buyers remorse.

 But a new approach is needed for TO, one has to learn the pyschology of TO, not just stroke its ego by calling it the most important city in Canada, TO already knows that.

 I had a thought, does anyone else think that Trudeau is going to aviod parliament like deadly disease, we will be lucky to ever see him during Question Period.


He has already indicated that he wont be attending question period as much as Harper. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/10/14/justin-trudeau-question-period-r...

Debater

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Chantal Hebert: The NDP sacrifices the best of a generation to a war against the Liberals

Excellent point by Chantal Hébert.

She managed to sum up the central issue in this election in just one sentence.

Hébert remains as eloquent and insightful as ever.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Northern PoV wrote:

 

This is his worst nightmare and as others have said ... Harper wakes up in a City with a leftie Mayor, a province with a leftie Premier and a Canada under Trudeau.  Schadenfreude in spades

I'm loving it. Harper fucked himself. And I must admit,I'm in better spirits today than I was yesterday.

Debater

Liberal comeback headed for history books

Chantal Hébert

"Harper will wear this defeat for all time."

http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-election/2015/10/20/liberal-comeback...

Aristotleded24

BillBC wrote:
hey guys...your token conservative here to commiserate with you.  I dislike Trudeau too, but for different reasons.  I'm not surprised by the result, but am of course disappointed.  Four years of him.  Aaaaagh 

Honestly I tend to like Tories better then Liberals, at least with a Tory you know where they stand, Liberals are so full of shit they're eyes are brown.

 

--I'll take that as a compliment.  I'd take an honest lefty over a liberal any day, at least as a human being....I refer to Trudeau as "La Dauphine," which I hope is not sexist.  Four years of him will be tough...

Thanks Bill. I do have to say that aside from the ethical scandals and presiding over a bad economy, Harper more or less delivered the kind of government he said he would. Liberals. on the other hand, are notorious for breaking promise after promise after promise at any level of government.

Aristotleded24

Jacob Two-Two wrote:
Four years of Justin will be just more of the same. No significant break in the Corporate agenda. That I can handle, I guess. What's really going to get to me over the next four years is watching Justin break every promise he made, and having to listen to the public constantly make excuses for him because, "At least he's not Harper". Our own fuckin' Obama. Just great.

And when the Conservatives find their feet in the next federal election, we will hear so much crap about "OH MY GOD THE CONSERVATIVES ARE SO HORRIBLE AND MIGHT GET IN, WE CAN'T VOTE NDP AND LET THEM GET IN ON A VOTE SPLIT!" even if the Conservatives are not in a position to challenge for first place. If we're unprepared, we could see strategic voting for the Liberals allowing Conservative candidates to win (think Edmonton, Saskatoon, and Oshawa) and people voting Liberal in Liberal-NDP races (think Winnipeg and Kenora as a couple of examples off the top of my head).

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Debater wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Chantal Hebert: The NDP sacrifices the best of a generation to a war against the Liberals

Excellent point by Chantal Hébert.

She managed to sum up the central issue in this election in just one sentence.

Hébert remains as eloquent and insightful as ever.

No, just every now and again she gets one right. Even a clock is right twice a day, unless you're Rick Perry! Laughing

Malcontent

The Niqab issue killed Mulcair.  Plus having the same dead beats running his campaign as Dix did not help.  Both times NDP were leading in polls and managed to grab defeat from the jaws of victory.   I am done with the NDP, I wasted to much of my life hoping, helping, supporting now to have Mulcair destroy all that Jack built.  I am too old now for them to ever be a force in my life time.

Hopefully the libs keep their promise and return the retirement age to 65, remove parts of C-51, electoral reform Plus re legalising Cannabis would be ok too But Justin supports TPP and did vote C-51 and with the history of Liberals not keeping their promises I won't hold my breathe too much but will give him a chance.

The funny thing too is Trudeau only did so well because of FPTP he received less popular votes than Steve did in 2011. Steve Received 39.6% and JT 39.5%.   I know I know just .1% less in popular support but still less nevertheless.

The Greens are just a one person party. I thought they would of done better on the Island but nope. Even with a Liberal win known before polls closed  still nyet other than Mays. I thought they would of won Victoria with the Liberal dropping out. Maybe they would of won it if Liberal stayed? I dunno...

What is going to happen to the Greens when May retires? Will they fade away for a while? At least May now will get a golden pension.  

The Greens also went from 6.78 % in 2008 to 3.91% in 2011 to 3.40 % last night.  May is not as popular as many think I guess other than her riding.  Funny if we had pro rep they would of had 22 seats in 2008 but 0 in 2011 and 2015.  Most PR uses 5% min for a seat.  Would the greens get more support under pro rep with people knowing their votes would count?

There was a 68.9% voter turnout.

The cons? Well they will probably be in power again in a decade as Canadians do not like real change but tiny change it seems.  It will depend who they have for leader and if the Reform faction and the PC faction split.

There  is no leader that can save the NDP.

terrytowel

Forum nailed #elxn42.

Last poll said LPC 40 CPC 30 NDP 20 BQ 6 G 3.

Actual vote: LPC 39.5 CPC 31.9 NDP 19.7 BQ 4.7 G 3.4.

bekayne

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Jacob Two-Two wrote:
Four years of Justin will be just more of the same. No significant break in the Corporate agenda. That I can handle, I guess. What's really going to get to me over the next four years is watching Justin break every promise he made, and having to listen to the public constantly make excuses for him because, "At least he's not Harper". Our own fuckin' Obama. Just great.

And when the Conservatives find their feet in the next federal election, we will hear so much crap about "OH MY GOD THE CONSERVATIVES ARE SO HORRIBLE AND MIGHT GET IN, WE CAN'T VOTE NDP AND LET THEM GET IN ON A VOTE SPLIT!" even if the Conservatives are not in a position to challenge for first place. If we're unprepared, we could see strategic voting for the Liberals allowing Conservative candidates to win (think Edmonton, Saskatoon, and Oshawa) and people voting Liberal in Liberal-NDP races (think Winnipeg and Kenora as a couple of examples off the top of my head).

If we haves ranked ballots (at the least) the point will be moot

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Malcontent wrote:

There  is no leader that can save the NDP.

Oh for Christ's sake, buck up! OK, say for a sec its true what you said, what happens to the NDP? I wa around when McClauchlin destroyed us. They said the same thing then too. Jack was right, "don't let them tell you it can't be done"!

Pondering

Malcontent wrote:

The cons? Well they will probably be in power again in a decade as Canadians do not like real change but tiny change it seems.  It will depend who they have for leader and if the Reform faction and the PC faction split.

There  is no leader that can save the NDP.

The Cons no longer exist. They have been stripped down almost all the way to their reform roots. The PCs are gone. Jason Kenny is most likely their next leader. The social conservatives are chafing at the bit.

Trudeau saved the Liberals in one election cycle.

Northern PoV

At 32% of the popular vote, after all the nonsense ending with Ford Family Values, the Beasties have the most rock solid base of any party in Canada.

A continuing danger to the fabric of Canada.  

We must show pressure to bring on IVR or even perhaps PR before the next election.  I will be contacting my Liberal member and reaching out to Joyce Murray.  Join me?

 

terrytowel

Peter Stoffer congratulates Darrell Samson the Liberal candidate who defeated him. CLASSY!

Unionist

Thank you Darrell Samson, whoever you are.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Unionist, are you happy REB won? I am.

mark_alfred

BillBC wrote:

OK. let's take this one at a time:Senate: appoint more Lbs, of course!

 

--I bet Harper's cursing himself for not stuffing it with Conservatives....

I'm guessing you're right on that.  Trudeau's promise of reforming the Senate selection process will be one of his first promises to be tossed.  Of course, he was elected with a mandate to not uphold any promise besides being a more friendly presence in media soundbites to make us feel better while corporations are empowered, so it really doesn't matter.

mark_alfred

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Mulcair got almost no applause. He is finished.

It was a classy speech that had both cheers and applause, which given the circumstances, is no small feat.  I saw it in a pub with volunteers for the Thomson campaign, and there applause frequently broke out during his speech. You can hear both applause and cheers at several points in his speech when you view it:

http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2677359397/

 

Regarding applause, at the pub, the biggest applause of the evening was when it was announced that Duceppe had lost.

JeffWells

A few hours ago, Craig Scott posted a very frank and justifiably bitter assessment on Facebook and made me feel miserable all over again.

 

Dear Friends,

I won't write a full message now as I won't get it right so early after last night's electoral outcome. Perhaps I will write later with more structured thoughts. Or perhaps I will let these comments stand as a sincere reflection of my reflections the day after. 

I want most of all to thank the residents of Toronto-Danforth for having provided me the privilege of being the MP for this truly amazing community, where caring for each other is both a general belief and a way of life. And I am so humbled by the support and hard work of hundreds of volunteers who so much believed in the (truly) real, positive change that Canada's first social democratic government could have ushered in. As I said in my speech last night for those of you who were there, you would never know it from how the media over these last 11 weeks alternated between leaders, (occasionally) candidates, voters, and pundits as the 'faces' of democratic participation, but in crucial respects you the volunteer -- whether within riding associations or generally as engaged citizens during elections -- are the lifeblood of our democracy. Thank you, all.

I also appreciate so much the outpouring of thank yous for my work as MP and the many expressions of dismay or even shock (not to mention anger at our broken electoral system) that have come my way. The best I have to offer right now besides the standard 'them's the lumps' is that we can at least celebrate that we are rid of a truly reprehensible regime (I do not say "government" because that sugar-coats what the Harper era had come to be all about). And we can take great pride in the role the NDP led by Tom Mulcair played in that result. The simple fact is that there is no way the Conservatives would not have won again -- probably with another majority -- if the NDP had not been the most effective, dedicated, and, yes, fierce Official Opposition in modern Canadian history for the last four years. Alongside myriad voices from civil society, I and my colleagues -- amazing MPs like Megan Leslie and Paul Dewar and Jack Harris and Jinny Sims and Matt Kellway who were treated like cannon fodder in the anti-Harper convulsion that was yesterday's election -- laid bare, day in and day out, what that Conservative government was all about. We fought them at every turn in battles such as against the Unfair Elections Act and Bill C-51, while -- and if this sounds bitter, I do not hide that it is -- Liberal MPs (not all but far too many) were fundamentally lazy, sitting passively in their corner of the House (assigning the same MP to do all almost all their speaking for the other 35 for four straight years) and arrogantly waiting for the messiah to take them back to the promised land of power (and they were proven 'right' in that calculation). To all my colleagues who like me were not returned last night, thank you for being part of such an amazing caucus for whom doing the right thing and doing one's job as part of an all-hands-on-deck team effort come naturally. 

As we head into the 42nd Parliament, Canadians should, in keeping with the generosity of spirit that saw so many convince themselves to hope the Liberals can actually be a source of "real change", cross their fingers that our democracy has actually turned some sort of corner and that the same old Liberals in power will not be the same old Liberals in power. I am willing, grudgingly, to acknowledge that there is reason to be hopeful because the Liberal platform necessarily has elements that deserve to be seen as progressive or, at least, better than what would be on offer from the Conservatives. For all these elements, I sincerely hope the NDP in Parliament and citizens at large will do everything they can to make these platform pieces become reality rather than slip out of sight, through a mix of cooperation and vigorous prodding.

BUT, let me direct and blunt here: arising from the combination of odium for Stephen Harper and his gang and the distorted seat count in relation to the popular vote under our winner-take-all system, Canadians must also be aware of the result 'they' have produced. That is to say, 39.5% of us have handed a majority government (well over 50% of the seats) to a party that, alongside the Conservatives, brought us Bill C-51 and the Barbaric Cultural Practices Act (yes, the Liberals voted for BOTH), and a party that will try to bring us the transnational-corporate-rights charter known as the Trans Pacific Partnnership (TPP) with the support of their Conservative fellow travellers who are now the Official Opposition. The same two parties that agree that no greenhouse gas emissions targets (let alone mandatory ones under a pan-Canadian carbon pricing system) need to be set before Canada goes to the Paris Climate Change Conference in several weeks where the fate of a world on the ecological brink will be decided. The same two parties that are united in not wanting to see proportional representation as part of our electoral system. And to take a longer view of the de facto Liberal-Conservative Alliance, the same old parties that over the last decades collectively -- as if they were in a relay 'race' handing the baton back and forth to each other -- left a legacy of gutted transfers to the provinces for such crucial collective goods as affordable housing and gutted funding to Aboriginal communities for such basics as equal education for First Nations kids.

As I sit writing this at a picnic table overlooking Cherry Beach at the south end of this wonderful riding of Toronto-Danforth, serendipity has placed me right beside this image (below) of an empty watchtower looking out over the lake toward a blurred wall of Leslie Spit trees. With a decimated and reeling NDP with only 40+ seats in the House of Commons and with the Cons gazing across the aisle at the Libs as the Official Opposition, there is right now nobody in the watch tower of Canada's Parliament. The Family Compact is back. As such, it will be Canadians at large, engaged scholars, civil society organizations, and a media doing its job that will need to step up and help to fill this hole in democratic scrutiny. Positive change will be lost if you leave it to this House of Commons as generated by this election. 

Be hopeful but also be vigilant, be engaged. 

Bon courage.

Yours in solidarity and (obviously) frustrated frankness, 

Craig

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/CraigScottNDP/photos/a.210530892374634.50051.20...

NorthReport

Thanks Jeff.

 

jas

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As such, it will be Canadians at large, engaged scholars, civil society organizations, and a media doing its job that will need to step up and help to fill this hole in democratic scrutiny. Positive change will be lost if you leave it to this House of Commons as generated by this election.

Liberal voters decided this election. They can be the watchdogs. I'm going to sit back and eat popcorn.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

You're not going to watch the watchdogs?

quizzical

felixr wrote:
Ontario remains largely a wasteland for social democracy.

why is this?

jas

Mr. Magoo wrote:
You're not going to watch the watchdogs?

Cool That's why I need the popcorn.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Good answer.  :)

quizzical

Russian view of Canada's election.....

Quote:
A headline on the state-owned Sputnik news service used exclamation marks to declare “Trudeau wins! Crack-smoking ex-mayor fails to save Canada’s Conservatives,”

 

Laughing

mark_alfred

JeffWells wrote:

A few hours ago, Craig Scott posted a very frank and justifiably bitter assessment on Facebook and made me feel miserable all over again.

https://www.facebook.com/CraigScottNDP/photos/a.210530892374634.50051.20...

That was well said.  He cut through the bullshit and called things for what they are.  Regardless, it's important to assume good faith with this Liberal government and to push them to follow through on both promises and on good policy initiatives in general.

Debater

JeffWells wrote:

A few hours ago, Craig Scott posted a very frank and justifiably bitter assessment on Facebook and made me feel miserable all over again.

https://www.facebook.com/CraigScottNDP/photos/a.210530892374634.50051.20...

It sounds like Craig Scott deserved to be defeated.

All he does is attack the Liberals in that piece without taking any responsibility for the way the NDP sold out its core principles or the way the NDP tried to smear Justin Trudeau in this campaign and sunk to dirty tricks.

The NDP was at it across the country -- whether it was releasing a fake poll in Papineau showing Justin Trudeau losing (he won with 52% of the vote, beating Lagace-Dowson's 26% by a 2-1 margin) or whether it was trying to mislead voters in Acadie-Bathurst into thinking that Yvon Godin was still on the ballot (something commented on by reporters in New Brunswick yesterday).

Perhaps what most demonstrated how intoxicated by power the NDP had become, was that the NDP (including Lagace-Dowson) even attacked Justin Trudeau as not being a true Quebecer anymore because he moved his principal residence from Montreal to Ottawa so he could spend more time closer to his small children.

It was at that point that many progressives realized that the NDP was more interested in attaining power at all costs than in beating Stephen Harper.

quizzical

lolol

mark_alfred

Debater wrote:

JeffWells wrote:

A few hours ago, Craig Scott posted a very frank and justifiably bitter assessment on Facebook and made me feel miserable all over again.

https://www.facebook.com/CraigScottNDP/photos/a.210530892374634.50051.20...

blah bah blah...NDP evil...blah blah blah...unfairly attacks the Liberals...blah blah blah

Whatever.  His assessment of the situation was spot on, IMO.  Also, he did acknowledge the following about the Liberals,

Craig Scott wrote:
I am willing, grudgingly, to acknowledge that there is reason to be hopeful because the Liberal platform necessarily has elements that deserve to be seen as progressive or, at least, better than what would be on offer from the Conservatives. For all these elements, I sincerely hope the NDP in Parliament and citizens at large will do everything they can to make these platform pieces become reality rather than slip out of sight, through a mix of cooperation and vigorous prodding.

That's fair, IMO.

Cody87

Debater wrote:

All he does is attack the Liberals in that piece without taking any responsibility for the way the NDP sold out its core principles or the way the NDP tried to smear Justin Trudeau in this campaign and sunk to dirty tricks.

Debater...this applies to at least half of the NDP partisans on this board, including the ones you were responding to. I'm not at all surprised that Craig Scott's analysis - which reminds me strongly of Ignatieff's blaming the voters after his loss - are resonating with them.

Cody87

Craig Scott wrote:

blah bah blah...LPC evil...blah blah blah...voters too stupid to see LPC and CPC are the same...blah blah blah

Debater

Cody87 wrote:

Debater wrote:

All he does is attack the Liberals in that piece without taking any responsibility for the way the NDP sold out its core principles or the way the NDP tried to smear Justin Trudeau in this campaign and sunk to dirty tricks.

Debater...this applies to at least half of the NDP partisans on this board, including the ones you were responding to. I'm not at all surprised that Craig Scott's analysis - which reminds me strongly of Ignatieff's blaming the voters after his loss - are resonating with them.

As Chantal Hébert said on CBC last night, and again in her column today, the NDP sacrificied a lot of people this week in its war against the Liberals.  It didn't have to be that way.

Cody87

Debater wrote:

As Chantal Hébert said on CBC last night, and again in her column today, the NDP sacrificied a lot of people this week in its war against the Liberals.  It didn't have to be that way.

I didn't even know that she was Hebert was until Sean mentioned it (I've on rare occasion read a Toronto Star and her columns are usually in them, so I know her name but didn't know her face). As I mentioned last night in this thread, her analysis in 2011 was spot on about how it was Jack Layton who won Quebec, not the NDP itself. I always remembered it, and she was proven right by the Niqab issue. I fear the NDP will further marginalize itself by attacking Trudeau while he's still popular (and if he keeps his promises, he'll be popular for a long time).

Debater

Trudeau can't take his new support in Quebec for granted, but as Chantal Hebert said, he may have the ability to maintain & increase that support in Quebec over time the way Jean Chretien did.

Chretien gained seats in Quebec over time:

19 in 1993

29 in 1997

36 in 2000 (& beating the BQ in the popular vote).

The Liberals can now be the dominate Federal presence in Quebec again, as long as they don't take Quebecers for granted and make sure to take the opportunity of the new 40 seats in Quebec in a positive way.

scott16

For everyone who voted liberal

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=055wFyO6gag

Rev Pesky

One of the bits of prevailing wisdom here is that the Liberals run on the left, and govern on the right. I'll just point out that the NDP does exactly the same. They're no better at keeping election promises than anyone else, and anyone who's lived under an NDP provincial government knows it.

So yes, the Liberal foot has to held to the fire. It's wise to remember that had the NDP won, you'd have to do the same.

bekayne

quizzical wrote:

Russian view of Canada's election.....

Quote:
A headline on the state-owned Sputnik news service used exclamation marks to declare “Trudeau wins! Crack-smoking ex-mayor fails to save Canada’s Conservatives,”

 

Laughing

And here was what the Taiwanese Animators had to say right before the vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecda9RKe3Gc

josh

Quote:

The total number of votes for the parties shows that only the NDP lost a big number of votes — almost a million. The Conservatives stayed at about the same number, while the Liberals gained more than four million, suggesting they may have received the votes of a huge share of the new voters in this election.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-numbers-1.3281210

ctrl190

Debater wrote:

JeffWells wrote:

A few hours ago, Craig Scott posted a very frank and justifiably bitter assessment on Facebook and made me feel miserable all over again.

https://www.facebook.com/CraigScottNDP/photos/a.210530892374634.50051.20...

It sounds like Craig Scott deserved to be defeated.

All he does is attack the Liberals in that piece without taking any responsibility for the way the NDP sold out its core principles or the way the NDP tried to smear Justin Trudeau in this campaign and sunk to dirty tricks.

The NDP was at it across the country -- whether it was releasing a fake poll in Papineau showing Justin Trudeau losing (he won with 52% of the vote, beating Lagace-Dowson's 26% by a 2-1 margin) or whether it was trying to mislead voters in Acadie-Bathurst into thinking that Yvon Godin was still on the ballot (something commented on by reporters in New Brunswick yesterday).

Perhaps what most demonstrated how intoxicated by power the NDP had become, was that the NDP (including Lagace-Dowson) even attacked Justin Trudeau as not being a true Quebecer anymore because he moved his principal residence from Montreal to Ottawa so he could spend more time closer to his small children.

It was at that point that many progressives realized that the NDP was more interested in attaining power at all costs than in beating Stephen Harper.

If you read it with the knowledge that Scott gracefully conceded the next morning on Twitter and offered the Liberal winner best wishes, the letter comes off much differently. 

terrytowel

There parts of the letter I sympathized with, but other parts that were rabidly partisan. BUT Losing an election would make anyone bitter.

Though he did say in another interview that he feel a bit more free now. Before he had to watch a bit of what he was saying because of party discipline. But now he can speak his mind without any filter.

terrytowel

NDP floor crosser, now provincial Liberal Glenn Thibeault tweets

"Team Thibeault so proud to work hard for (Liberal Sudbury candidate Paul Lefebvre) and Team Trudeau. Real Change has come to Sudbury and Canada!"

 

On the Federal NDP dropping to third, Glenn Thibeault says

“People are voting Liberal because we understand what their needs and what their wants are. We're talking about infrastructure, we're talking about creating jobs – the things that matter to them. And we're being very transparent about it.

“People across the country are recognizing that, they see that the change they want is with the Liberals. And I've had the experience of being on both sides now, and it was one of the reasons I was looking at leaving. Because (the NDP) weren't talking about the issues people care about. And I think you're seeing that (on election night.)”

http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/10/20-lefebvre-marleau-su...

Brachina

terrytowel wrote:

NDP floor crosser, now provincial Liberal Glenn Thibeault tweets

"Team Thibeault so proud to work hard for (Liberal Sudbury candidate Paul Lefebvre) and Team Trudeau. Real Change has come to Sudbury and Canada!"

 

On the Federal NDP dropping to third, Glenn Thibeault says

“People are voting Liberal because we understand what their needs and what their wants are. We're talking about infrastructure, we're talking about creating jobs – the things that matter to them. And we're being very transparent about it.

“People across the country are recognizing that, they see that the change they want is with the Liberals. And I've had the experience of being on both sides now, and it was one of the reasons I was looking at leaving. Because (the NDP) weren't talking about the issues people care about. And I think you're seeing that (on election night.)”

http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2015/10/20-lefebvre-marleau-su...

 I wish that traitorous asshole a life time of ass burning, bum bleeding diarrhea that smells like his shit stained soul x1000.

MegB

Jeez Brachina, how do you really feel? Anyway, closing.

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