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Canada Urged to Pressure Libya's New Leaders on Torture Reports

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/canada-urged-to-pressure-libya...

"The Canadian leader of Amnesty International is calling on the Harper government to use its influence with Libya's new leadership to put an end to the torture of prisoners that the organization says has been taking place.

The new leaders of Libya were helped to power by the air-war waged by the air forces of Canada and major allies. Amnesty said the torture is being carried out by 'officially recognized military and security entities' as well as the many armed militias still active in the country.

As well, Doctors Without Borders says it is suspending its work in Libyan prisons because of rampant torture of detainees, who had been brought for care only to make them fit for further interrogation.."

 

another detainee-torture story for Canada to bury and forget about...

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Tortured Freedom: Libya's New Rulers Resort to Old Tactics (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/libya-torture-death-detainees-817/

"...All in all, investigators believe 'crimes of war and against humanity were committed.' 'Some of the NATO representatives were at the frontline - guiding the raids and directing them and coordinating. If you are mandated to protect civilians - this is not your mandate,' says Raj Sourani from the Arab Organization for Libyan Human Rights (see interview)

as on so many critical and crucial issues - still no word from the 'loyal opposition'

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Fresh From Libya Trade Mission, Minister Plays Coy On The Passenger List

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/01/30/just-back-from-libya-trade-mission-mi...

"The minister and representatives from 15 Canadian companies met with business leaders and the transitional government's trade, oil and gas, and education ministeries from January 28 to 30th. Fast [Eddy] initially refused to name any of the firms, which included oil and gas companies, as well as some from the information and communications technology industry.

But following the initial publication of this story, the minister's office provided the names of seven of the companies; Dessau, ZAS, Talisman, CAE, Canadian Helicopters, the Canadian Bureau of International Education and Dominion voting..."

guess who the coy ones are..?

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Canadian Detained  in Alleged Gadhafi Plot Alleges 'Torture' by Mexicans - by Robert Hilz

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Canadian+detained+alleged+Gadhafi+plot...

"...I thought I was going to die in there,' Vanier wrote. In a list of grievances, she alleges she's suffered physical abuse and torture by international definition based on the Vienna Conventions, to which Mexico is a signatory."

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UN Report: NATO's Libya War Armed al-Qaeda

http://thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/africa-mainmenu-27/10694-un-...

"The UN report explained that 'due to the Libyan upheaval...governments in the region are faced with the return of millions of economic migrants, the smuggling of weapons from Libyan stockpiles, terrorist activities, youth unemployment, trafficking in drugs and human beings, and a surge in criminality,' the international body summarized in a press release on its findings.

But the international body carefully ignored its own obvious role in creating the tragedy...Almost incredibly, the UN and some of its member governments are now asking for ever more international intervention. To deal with the fallout crisis created by the previous round of failed interventions.."

These are not unintended consequences at all. Deliberately designed to lead to more intervention. And NATO and AFRICOM are ready to 'help' again..

NDPP

Libya: Diplomat Dies in Militia Custody

http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/02/02/libya-diplomat-dies-militia-custody

"A Libyan diplomat who served as ambassador to France died less than 24 hours after he was detained by a Tripoli-based militia from the town of Zintan, Human Rights Watch said today. Dr Omar Brebesh, who was detained on January 19, 2012 appears to have died from torture..."

'In Libya Now the Truth is Coming Out'

http://www.voltairenet.org/In-Lybia-now-the-truth-is-coming

"Irish free-lance journalist Lizzie Phelan refers to her recent interview by New York Times reporter Robert Mackey...

Malcolm X famously said 'if you are not careful, the media will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving  the oppressor,' and that quote rings true more than ever today, most recently in the way that the Western and GCC media have covered events in Libya and Syria.."

NDPP

Torture in Libya: The Ugly Reality of Imperialist 'Liberation'

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/feb2012/pers-f01.shtml

"A criminal imperialist war that ended with a brutal murder, has, unsurprisingly, yielded a regime of terror, torture and repression. According to a report released by Amnesty International (AI) 'torture is being carried out by officially recognized military and security entities as well as by a multitude of armed militias operating outside of any legal framework.'

Prisoners are 'suspended in contorted positions, beaten for hours with whips, cables, plastic hoses, metal chains, bars, wooden sticks, and given electric shocks with live wires and taser-like electro-shock weapons,' according to the Amnesty report. A spokesperson for the organization described the failure of the [Canada], US and NATO-backed National Transitional Council to conduct any investigation, much less take any action against the torture, as 'horrifying'.

All of these developments have been studiously ignored by the coterie of 'left' organizations, liberal academics and journalists who played such a critical role in promoting and justifying the US-NATO war for regime change in Libya. Pseudo-left groups ranging from the New Anti-Capitalist Party in France to the Left Party in Germany, [the NDP] and the International Socialists Organization in the US all provided a critical service to imperialism by supporting the pro-imperialist 'rebel' leaders and helping to dress up a naked intervention for oil and geo-strategic interests , as a crusade to protect civilians and promote democracy and human rights..."

NorthReport

So much better than before eh!

NDPP

Libyan Crisis: Events Causes and Facts (doco)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtGYTb41TZg&feature=player_embedded#1

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Refugee Camp Massacre: Libyan Militia Launch Racist Raid

http://rt.com/news/libya-war-crimes-racism-827/print/

"Heavily armed fighters have attacked a camp of about 1,500 refugees on the outskirts of Tripoli, opening fire on its inhabitants. At least six were killed in the incident, raising fears that civilians have little protection from militias running amok. According to various reports between six and twelve people were killed, including children, women and the elderly.

The area around the camp was cut off by the attackers to prevent any help reaching the refugees. 'Men from Misrata came to the camp in Janzour district at 10 o'clock Monday. We knew they were from Misrata because it was written all over the cars, camp resident Huda Bel-Eid said at Tripoli Medical Hospital, Al Jazeera reports.."

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Saadi Gaddafi Interview: Full Translation: Saadi Gaddafi Phone Call to Al Arabiya (and vid)

http://lizzie-phelan.blogspot.com/2012/02/confirmed-saadi-gaddafi-called...

"There will be a huge uprising that will comprise a number of uprisings which will break out throughout Libya. There will not be a region where there won't be a new people's uprising...70% of the people are not satisfied with the current situation in Lbya and all are ready to rise up to change the current situation for the good of the country..

And I call upon everyone to be ready for this uprising and the zero hour, because this time the uprising will be the decisive one."

Tripoli: Racist Mistreatment of the Ambassador from Niger (and vid)

http://libyasos.blogspot.com/2012/02/racist-mistreatment-of-ambassador-f...

"Libya's racist, NATO mercenaries have expelled the honourable ambassador of Niger in Tripoli because his government accepted Saadi Gaddafi, whose only crime has been a recent call to Al Arabiya TV in which he warned of an uprising in Libya..."

 

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Armed militias now rule much of Libya, Amnesty International has warned, accusing them of torturing detainees deemed loyal to the ousted regime of Muammar Gaddafi and driving entire neighbourhoods and towns into exile....

At least 12 detainees had died since September after torture, Amnesty said. "Their bodies were covered in bruises, wounds and cuts and some had had nails pulled off," the group said.

The report is a fresh blow to Libya's new government, the National Transitional Council, which helped lead the anti-Gaddafi uprising that broke out one year ago this week and spiraled into a brutal, eight-month civil war.

Since the war's end with the capture and killing of Gaddafi last October, the NTC has struggled to extend its control over the nation. It has largely failed to rein in the hundreds of brigades that fought in the war, many of which now run their own detention centres for those accused of links to Gaddafi's regime.

Amnesty said it visited 11 detention camps in central and western Libya in January and February, and found evidence of torture and abuse at all but one.

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/16/libyan-militias-detainee-tor... Guardian[/url]

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Libya One Year On: Celebration? (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/libya-anniversary-celebration-phelan-541/

"On February 17, Libya will mark the first anniversary of the uprising against Muammar Gaddafi. But journalist Lizzie Phelan notes that millions of Libyans will be commisserating and not celebrating..."

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Gaddafi Supporters Outside Libya Form New Grouping

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17071596

"Members of Colonel Gaddafi's former government outside Libya say they are starting a political movement aimed at radical change, the BBC has learnt. In a message which appears to be genuine, one of Gaddafi's senior officers said they want to prevent the outbreak of another civil war. Last week, Saadi Gaddafi, another of the former leader's sons, who is in exile in Niger warned of an imminent uprising inside Libya..."

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One Year Later, Libya's Future Still Very Much in the Air  -  by David Pugliese

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/year+later+Libya+future+still+very+m...

"Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird beamed with pride last summer as he signed a Canadian bomb that would soon be dropped on Libya. 'Free Libya. Democracy', he wrote.

Canada, he pointed out, was at the forefront of the NATO mission in Libya. In Gadhafi's place would come democracy, the rebels had assured Baird. 'I can honestly say their courage and their resolve are remarkable,' he wrote in the Ottawa Citizen in July.

Defence and political analysts, media commentators and newspaper editorialists have portrayed Canada's military intervention in Libya as a great victory. Canadian Lt Gen Charles Bouchard, who led the NATO mission, has been hailed as a hero.

But almost a year after Canada went to war to bring what it called freedom and democracy to Libya, the African nation is in a state of turmoil.

A poll taken for the Defence Department during the war would later show that Canadians strongly approved of the government's decision to intervene in Libya. Some in the Canadian Forces, however, don't subscribe to the argument...They say it all came down to relations with the US. Once Canada's closest ally had decided to intervene, the Canadian government agreed to go to war."

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Thanks for that link to Pugliese's very important article. I like the way he summarizes how Qaddafi was until very recently our pal:

Pugliese wrote:
Prince Andrew dined with Gadhafi in November 2008, promoting Britain's oil interests. The British military sent members of its elite Special Air Service to provide training for the dictator's commandos, part of the growing relationship between the two nations.

In April 2009, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warmly greeted one of the colonel's sons during high-level talks in Washington. "We deeply value the relationship between the United States and Libya," she said.

Less than three months later, Gadhafi himself was shaking hands with U.S. President Barack Obama during a G8 summit in Italy.

Canada also moved to get in on the action. But it already had a head start since Canadian companies had a long history of involvement in Libya, even when Gadhafi was considered an international pariah. Although former diplomats would try to downplay the extent of the relationship once the war against Libya began, an estimated 70 Canadian firms were active in the country, mainly in gas and oil production.

In the late 1980s, Canadian firms, with the backing of the Conservative government, pursued Libyan contracts. In 1989, Calgary-based Husky Oil and its partners spent nearly $100 million, entering into exploration and production-sharing agreements.

In December 2004, then Liberal prime minister Paul Martin headed a delegation to visit Gadhafi and improve trade.

By early 2011, Suncor Energy of Calgary had almost $1 billion in assets tied up in Libya and the Quebec engineering firm SNC Lavalin had won contracts valued at more than $800 million. SNC, with 2,000 employees in the country, was building a massive pipeline that Gadhafi envisioned would bring water in the south across the desert to cities in the north. It had also been awarded a contract to build a new airport in Benghazi and a $275-million prison in Tripoli.

Stephen Harper's Conservative government also forged links with the Libyan strongman. In 2008 the government asked for — and received — the Libyan leader's help in freeing kidnapped Canadian diplomats Robert Fowler and Louis Guay, who had been kidnapped by al-Qaida's affiliate in northwest Africa. During a trip to Libya the next year, then-Foreign Affairs minister Lawrence Cannon thanked the Gadhafi regime for using its extensive intelligence network and connections on the abduction case.

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Canada Helped NATO Enable Ouster of Gadhafi From Libya  - by David Pugliese

http://www.canada.com/news/Canada+helped+NATO+enable+ouster+Gadhafi+from...

"...It was May of 2011, three months into Libya's civil war, and NATO had set up a ring of 20 warships to enforce a UN arms embargo. The Libyan rebels guarding their ship openly acknowledged they were delivering weapons to their forces in Misrata. HMCS Charlottetown's commander, Craig Skjerpen radioed NATO headquarters for instructions.

The response was swift: let the ship sail on so the crew could deliver their deadly cargo. A NATO senior officer had boasted just weeks earlier that the alliance's blockade HAD closed the door on the flow of arms inside Libya..."

 

War on Libya Continues on Several Fronts  - by David Pugliese

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Libya+continues+several+fronts/6178586...

"The death of Libya leader Moammar Gadhafi on October 20 was greeted with relief in the capital cities of NATO nations. His demise meant the war was all but over. In Ottawa officials in the Prime Minister's office and the Privy Council Office went to work planning the largest military victory parade the country had seen in decades...

The emphasis was on portraying those who had taken part in the Libya mission - from cooks to clerks to pilots and aircrew - as 'heroes'.."

Hoodeet

A charming new addition to the axis of homophobia and misogyny (the Vatican + fundamentalist Islamic régimes + the U.S. + some African states):  the Libyan delegation to the U.N. Human Rights Commission in Geneva has declared that homosexuality is a threat to mankind and must be combatted as such.

There you have it, all you cheerleaders for "humanitarian intervention".   Moreover, I'm sure that Al-CIAda would joyfully fuck all good liberals up the *** with an AK47 to show full appreciation for their international support for the "liberation" struggle in Libya.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

More choice quotes from Pugliese's very useful trilogy of articles:

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Canada also didn't sit on the sidelines when it came to supplying hardware to the rebels. Five months into the war, Canadian government officials set in motion a plan to provide surveillance drones to rebels so they could better attack Libyan troops, day or night.

The Aeryon Scout Micro-Unmanned Aerial Vehicle, designed and built in Waterloo, was a small spy drone that fit inside a suitcase.

The Canadian government put Aeryon in contact with the rebel's National Transitional Council, while Zariba Security Corp., a private security firm in Ottawa, was to make the delivery. In July, the $100,000 drone was delivered to the rebels by Charles Barlow, president of Zariba and a former Canadian Forces officer. He took an 18-hour boat ride from Malta to the NTC training facility in Misrata, sailing without problems through NATO's blockade.

Barlow showed the rebels how to fly the drone, using it to identify a Libyan military position, and left shortly after.

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Bouchard, who approved each and every airstrike, said NATO's process was extremely rigorous and geared to substantially reduce civilian deaths.

One investigation by the New York Times found that NATO bombs killed as many as 70 civilians during the conflict, including 29 women and children. Survivors told the Times that one tactic used by NATO was to restrike targets minutes after the first attack, a practice that killed civilians rushing to aid the wounded.

 

NDPP

M. Spector wrote:

More choice quotes from Pugliese's very useful trilogy of articles:

 

 

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Bouchard, who approved each and every airstrike, said NATO's process was extremely rigorous and geared to substantially reduce civilian deaths.

 

One investigation by the New York Times found that NATO bombs killed as many as 70 civilians during the conflict, including 29 women and children. Survivors told the Times that one tactic used by NATO was to restrike targets minutes after the first attack, a practice that killed civilians rushing to aid the wounded.

 

NDPP

it doesn't get much more evil than this folks...and your guy Charlie the Butcher ran this show, to the acclaim of your official opposition too.. What's to be done? (cue crickets)

NDPP

Cynthia McKinney Tells It Like It Is

http://www.countercurrents.org/corseri200212.htm

"...My colleague, David Josue and I had been in Libya to attend a conference for Africans on the continent as well as Africans in the diaspora. And what the Jamahariya government had devised was a call to Africans in the diaspora who were unhappy with their treatment at the hands of white Americans or white Europeans, etc. - to come back home to Africa and to help Libya rebuild Africa and rebuild itself.

That was the purpose of this conference I had attended...And it was at that conference that the Jamahiriya committed 90 billion dollars to help in the creation of the United States of Africa..That would also include a million-person army for continental Africa to drive back the attempts of AFRICOM and others to occupy the African continent.

That was in addition to the proposal for a gold-backed dinar for all of Africa..The daughter of Kwame Nkruma was at that conference, the son of Patrice Lumumba was at that conference, the grandson of Malcom X was there...The atmosphere was electric with the idea of the re-building, the re-kindling of the movement that these African leaders - or their forbears - represented. Well that was all put to an end by NATO's bombing...

The attack on Libya was an attack on Africa! It was an attack on my aspirations as a person of African descent to have a free and independent Africa. That's what was attacked!..."

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As Calls For Intervention in Syria Grow, Vijay Prashad Urges Re-Evaluation of NATO Attack on Libya

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Libya has just marked the first anniversary of the start of the uprising that toppled Col. Muammar Gaddafi’s four-decade rule. But as Libya celebrates a new era free of the Gaddafi regime, there are growing concerns the country’s lingering divisions will tear it apart. Libya remains deeply splintered by regions and factions. More than 500 militias exist throughout the country, leading to ongoing human rights abuses that resemble those under the Gaddafi regime. We speak to Trinity College Professor Vijay Prashad. “There is a serious need to evaluate what has happened in Libya as a result, not only of the Gaddafi atrocities of the rise of the rebellion, but also significantly of the nature of the NATO intervention. And that evaluation has not happened,” Prashad said. “I’m afraid that is really calling into question the use of human rights as a lubricant for intervention. If we can’t go back and evaluate what has happened, I think a lot of people around the world are afraid of going forward into another intervention where the lessons of Libya have not been learned.”

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/2/21/as_calls_for_intervention_in_syria

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Prashad wrote:
...the use of human rights as a lubricant for intervention....

I love that phrase. I think I'll steal it.

NDPP

H-R Jelly...for easier entry..

M. Spector M. Spector's picture
Fidel

And you guys eat with those mouths? Innocent

NDPP

Oil Rich Eastern Libya Declares Semiautonomous Region

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/4540

(AP) BENGHAZI, LIBYA, Tribal leaders and militia commanders declared oil-rich eastern Libya a semiautonomous state on Tuesday, a unilateral move that the interim head of state called a 'dangerous' conspiracy by Arab nations to tear the country apart six months after the fall of Moammar Gadhafi..."

Hoodeet

Surprise!!!

NDPP

New Libyan State of Barqa

http://libyasos.blogspot.com/2012/03/new-libyan-state-barqa-owned-by-ber...

"...The gathering appointed Ahmed al-Zubair, ex-prisoner, as leader of its governing council. Al Zubair, a descendent of the former Libyan King Indris whom Gadhafi ousted in a 1969 coup, is also a member of the National Transitional Council. The plan seeks to revive the pre-Gadhafi system in place from 1951 until 1963, when Libya was ruled by a monarchy and was divided into three states: Tripolitania in the west, Fezzan in the southwest and Cyrenaica in the east, or Barqa, as it was called in Arabic."

What Did A Foreign-Backed 'Revolution' Bring to Libya?

http://libyasos.blogspot.com/2012/03/what-did-foreign-backed-revolution....

Loss of sovereignty, Central bank is not independent anymore, Country with no foreign debt now heavily indebted, Infrastructure destroyed by friendly NATO bombs, oil is in the hands of foreign forces, oh and 'freedom and democracy'.."

Slumberjack

Funny how the government, opposition, and the media are being so careful to avoid letting out too many details about how things are progressing in Libya, courtesy of the many tax dollars having been invested on our behalf, in a project they had all originally took great pains it seemed to tout the merits of.  There's a word I'm reaching for here...oh yes....motherfuckers, one and all.

NDPP

'West Plots to Divide Libya Into Pieces' (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/230447.html

"East Libyan leaders have proclaimed autonomy and called for the establishment of a federal system in the post revolution nations. 'It is very simple. You see the 17th century was the century of colonialism and physical presence of the Western world in the small countries of Asia, Latin America and Africa. The 21st century is the century of neocolonialism, economic colonialism and economic exploitation without physical presence.."

NDPP

'West Plots to Divide Libya Into Pieces' (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/230447.html

"East Libyan leaders have proclaimed autonomy and called for the establishment of a federal system in the post revolution nation. 'It is very simple. You see the 17th century was the century of colonialism and physical presence of the Western world in the small countries of Asia, Latin America and Africa. The 21st century is the century of neocolonialism, economic colonialism and economic exploitation without physical presence.."

NDPP

Slumberjack wrote:

Funny how the government, opposition, and the media are being so careful to avoid letting out too many details about how things are progressing in Libya, courtesy of the many tax dollars having been invested on our behalf, in a project they had all originally took great pains it seemed to tout the merits of.  There's a word I'm reaching for here...oh yes....motherfuckers, one and all.

NDPP

"We supported the first two motions regarding the mission in Libya because of this [R2P] principle, this doctrine. We can say that it was a great success. The intervention went well and the situation on the ground has drastically changed. In light of what I believe we can refer to as this success, I would like to take this opportunity to thank our soldiers and diplomats, who worked very hard to achieve this goal." Helen Laverdiere NDP, September 2011

Slumberjack

I see what you mean in there being no difference.

NDPP

Russia Blasts NATO Over Libya - And Libya Over Syria (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/russia-nato-libya-syria-107/

"Russia says that NATO should apologize for causing civilian casualties during the air raids in Libya in 2011 and pay compensation. Moscoaw has also accused Libya's new government of training Syrian rebels and instigating terrorism. Russia's UN Ambassador Vitaly Churkin issued his sharp criticism while speaking at Wednesday's meeting of the UN Security Council -  'We expect NATO to acknowledge that its air raids caused civilians casualties, to apologize and say it is prepared to pay the appropriate compensation,' Churkin asserted.

At the same meeting, Russia's UN envoy expressed Moscow's concern about the uncontrolled proliferation of Libyan arms in the region. However, it was not just the weapons that were being exported he said. 'We have receieved information that Libya, with support from the authorities, there is a special training center for the Syrian revolutionaries and that people are sent to Syria to attack the legal government,' Vitaly Churkin said.

'We think  Al Qaeda is in Syria and therefore the question arises: Is transporting the revolution not turning into the transporting of terrorism?'

Fidel

Slumberjack wrote:

I see what you mean in there being no difference.

Yes if the NDP had voted against the UN sanctioned no-fly zone over Libya, things would be totally different today. We can be sure that Abdelhakim Belhadj, Al-CIA'duh's commandante in Tripoli, would not be there in Turkey and launching raids into Syria on behalf of his western backers today. And CIA'duh's other fictitious enemy, Ayman al Zawahiri, would start paying back all that money to U.S. taxpayers for his private businesses training new terrorists.

And it's ALL THE NDP's FAULT!!

Hoodeet

NDPP wrote:

Slumberjack wrote:

Funny how the government, opposition, and the media are being so careful to avoid letting out too many details about how things are progressing in Libya, courtesy of the many tax dollars having been invested on our behalf, in a project they had all originally took great pains it seemed to tout the merits of.  There's a word I'm reaching for here...oh yes....motherfuckers, one and all.

NDPP

"We supported the first two motions regarding the mission in Libya because of this [R2P] principle, this doctrine. We can say that it was a great success. The intervention went well and the situation on the ground has drastically changed. In light of what I believe we can refer to as this success, I would like to take this opportunity to thank our soldiers and diplomats, who worked very hard to achieve this goal." Helen Laverdiere NDP, September 2011

Hoodeet (JW)

Repeating a question I asked earlier on another thread:

What planet is Ms Laverdiere from?  Her political IQ doesn't sound too sound.

Fidel

Oh it's in all the newspapers how "the rebels" won in Libya, and now Libyans will be thanking us soon for handing them the keys to democracy. It was a non-issue before it even got started. The Gladio Gang have sinced moved on to laying medieval siege to Iran and Syria. It's sometimes difficult to keep up with grand chess board maneuvers these days.

And the NDP simply says ya whatever corporate newz, because we're focused on bringing down the Harpers in 2015 if they don't achieve that end themselves between now and then.

NDPP

@JW: I imagine she learned her stuff from a career at Foreign Affairs Canada. Her statement is the official NATO line on the fascists' butchery of Libya. How people can think there is any future supporting these evil sellouts is beyond me. You're right though, aside from everything else, the NDP are dangerous political dumbos. That's why Harper wanted them in opposition instead of the Libs.  Here's the latest on their Libyan 'success'.

'Libya To See Endless War of Tribal Feuds' (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/libya-war-tribes-cyrenaica-229/

"As Libya's eastern region of Cyrenaica declares its semi-autonomy from the central government, political analyst Pepe Escobar says no one will be intervening this time to stop a war among Libyan tribes should it kick off..'Who cares about the future of Libya as a democracy? The country is splintered. NATO does not care..

 

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Fidel wrote:

Yes if the NDP had voted against the UN sanctioned no-fly zone over Libya, things would be totally different today. We can be sure that Abdelhakim Belhadj, Al-CIA'duh's commandante in Tripoli, would not be there in Turkey and launching raids into Syria on behalf of his western backers today. And CIA'duh's other fictitious enemy, Ayman al Zawahiri, would start paying back all that money to U.S. taxpayers for his private businesses training new terrorists.

And it's ALL THE NDP's FAULT!!

New NDP bumper sticker, inspired by Fidel: "They're going to do it anyway, so we might as well vote for it!"

Unionist

Fidel wrote:

Proviso: Ok feel free to leap to the defence of imperialists and tell us 9/11 WAS NOT an inside job. Anyone? Anyone at all?

It was an inside job. The supporting documents can be found [url=here[/url].">http://www.nothing.net]here[/url].[/]

Fidel

M. Spector wrote:

Fidel wrote:

Yes if the NDP had voted against the UN sanctioned no-fly zone over Libya, things would be totally different today. We can be sure that Abdelhakim Belhadj, Al-CIA'duh's commandante in Tripoli, would not be there in Turkey and launching raids into Syria on behalf of his western backers today. And CIA'duh's other fictitious enemy, Ayman al Zawahiri, would start paying back all that money to U.S. taxpayers for his private businesses training new terrorists.

And it's ALL THE NDP's FAULT!!

New NDP bumper sticker, inspired by Fidel: "They're going to do it anyway, so we might as well vote for it!"

Yes poor Gaddafi.  I feel very badly for him now that he's gone. All his friends must feel similarly.

Sleep with dogs get fleas as they say. It's a grey area. I suggest babblers write strongly worded notes to NDP MP's advising them that they have inadvertently supported Al-CIA'duh in the Maghreb(AQCIM). Or would that be fomenting "conspiracy theory"? Get yer colder war on.

Never forget. 

Proviso: Ok feel free to leap to the defence of imperialists and tell us 9/11 WAS NOT an inside job. Anyone? Anyone at all? Your own bumper sticker might read: Yes we have no bananas except on Sundays.

Fidel

Unionist wrote:

Fidel wrote:

Proviso: Ok feel free to leap to the defence of imperialists and tell us 9/11 WAS NOT an inside job. Anyone? Anyone at all?

It was an inside job. The supporting documents can be found [url=here[/url].">http://www.nothing.net]here[/url].[/]

 

Yes, welly o well, then that must mean that Gaddafi and his CIA/MI6 pals weren't worth a pinch o' shit, were they?

I don't get it. On the one hand Unionist wants to defend the imperialists against my citing malicious rumor and heresay WRT Murder Inc's involvement in 9/11. But on the the other hand he wants to condemn the NDP for having sided with the same imperialists against Gaddafi. As the kids would say, WTF?

The NDP has not and will not be supporting Gaddafi's,  nor by association the very imperialist-friendly Museveni's  overthrow of other governments in Africa nor even renditions and torture with help from the CIA and Brits anytime soon.

Run along, folks. Nothing to see here. 

Unionist

Fidel wrote:
On the one hand Unionist wants to defend the imperialists against my citing malicious rumor and heresay WRT Murder Inc's involvement in 9/11.

It's not that I want to defend them Fidel. I really don't. But they pay so frickin' well. And I have a responsibility to my family's financial security. Don't I? Is that so bad? Sometimes I just don't know...

 

Fidel

Unionist wrote:

Fidel wrote:
On the one hand Unionist wants to defend the imperialists against my citing malicious rumor and heresay WRT Murder Inc's involvement in 9/11.

It's not that I want to defend them Fidel. I really don't. But they pay so frickin' well. And I have a responsibility to my family's financial security. Don't I? Is that so bad? Sometimes I just don't know...

 

Sorry, I actually didn't read you defending the imperialists against their probable participation in an inside job on 9/11. I naturally assumed that you would have empathy(as opposed to sympathizing with) imperialists on that issue, like you did several years ago in other threads when insisting that it was the Afghan people themselves who kicked-out the evol Sovs with help from no one in particular and exspeshully not the CIA or their Saudi prince friends at the time. Because I would never accuse you of siding with imperialists or their friendly military dictatorships in 1980s-90s Central Asia. Not never.

And so for the sake of political expediency let us return now to criticizing the NDP for their dark alliance with imperialism. RIP General Zia and Elvis bin Laden, Charlie Wilson, the CIA etc. We shall deny them thrice before the cows come home and have to listen to that tone-deaf rooster again.

NDPP

Impeachment for Libyan War of Aggression: 2 Minute Pulitzer Cartoonist Video (and vid)

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/03/impeachment-for-libyan-war-of-agg...

If impeachment is suggested in the American case, what should we be suggesting for our own Canadian criminal accomplices?

"...War-murderers are war-murderers no matter where the murderers initiate fatal use of force [H of C, Ottawa].

The above circumstances damn the 'legal' voices as criminal accomplices.."

Hoodeet

Look at counterpunch.org  March 15 2012.

Vijay Prashad, "NATO's craven cover-up of its Libya bombing".

NDPP

yes, saw it and was just now going to place this in the warcriminal Bouchard thread. Here it is

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/15/natos-craven-coverup-of-it-libyan...

"NATO is loath to permit a full investigation. It believes that it has the upper hand, with Libya showing how the UN will now use NATO as its military arm (or else how the NATO states will be able to use the UN for its exercise of power) NATO has no challenger..."

NDPP

Corbett Report; Interview 483 - Pepe Escobar on R2P and MEK (podcast)

http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-483-pepe-escobar-on-r2p-and-mek/

"Today we talk to veteran investigative journalist about the 'Responsibility to Protect' doctrine by which NATO has begun waging its 'humanitarian' wars around the world. We discuss where this idea came from, how it has been used, and the way it is shaping international geopolitics. We also talk about the MEK, a bizarre terror cult that is increasingly popular inside the beltway in Washington"

NDPP

Libya: Brigands, Revolutionaries and the UN - by Alexander Mezyaev

http://www.voltairenet.org/Libya-Brigands-Revolutionaries-and

"As NATO and the GCC persevere with their project of remodeling the Greater Middle East and North Africa, a constant flow of fighters have been crossing from Libya into Syria and vice versa. According to ALexander Mezyaev, far from pursuing peace as stipulated in its Charter, the United Nations has become an instrument of this policy...

There is a special operation to transfer the Syrian 'opposition' brigands into Libya - conducted under the cover of the UN Mission...the UN Security Council's sessions have become examples of cynicism and hypocrisy, a world wide stage for spreading fabrications to promote public opinion support for the most bloody and base crimes..."

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