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Donald Trump rhetoric, not just protesters, blamed for rally violence

 

IMO this is stupid. The only person to ultimately blame for violence is the persom raising their hand to another human.

 

That said Trump makes an excellent point about the professional instigators of which we've seen at G8/G20, IdleNoMore protests and various blockades.

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Trump inciting violence should come as no surprise. Trump is just the latest example of the thugs and racists that are now attracted to and permeate the Republican party. Hopefully this will not prevent the Democrats from properly vetting their nominee.  

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This is a direct result of Trump inciting violence.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/10/politics/donald-trump-protestor-punch-face...

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Paladin1 wrote:

That said Trump makes an excellent point about the professional instigators of which we've seen at G8/G20, IdleNoMore protests and various blockades.

Unless you mean the police and their agent provocateurs I have no idea what you mean by "professional."  Who do you think is footing the bill to pay people to go into the streets and protest? 

"Trump makes and excellent point" is an oxymoron.

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interesting question kropotkin.

he makes it ound like people won't go protest unless paid if he isn't referring to the provocateurs.

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Finally. 

Sanders calls Trump 'pathological liar' as Chicago rally backlash grows

Democratic presidential candidate denounces Republican frontrunner and calls out Rahm Emanuel for ‘disastrous record’ on schools and policing

 

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/12/sanders-attacks-trump-vic...

 

 

 

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The Republicians need to look in the mirror as they can blame themselves for Trumo. They allowed him to run. Trump is just saying what a lot of GOPers think but will not say in public. It is just like Romney saying privately that was caught on video last election that he only represents the elites in society.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/marco-rubio-donald-trump-gop-nomin...

 

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I'm sure that American right-wingers resent having a black President, though I'm sure they could supress that if he were Colin Powell.

And they could supress their disgust at a female President, if it were Sarah Palin.

But they'll never forgive a liberal, particularly if they talk all fancy, nor a homosexual, nor an atheist.

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mother nature reacting to Trump winning the Louisiana primary?LaughingLaughing

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CrossTalk: Trump vs Neocons

https://youtu.be/6kzcz_amy6s

"On this edition of CrossTalk we have a look at who really supports the Party of War."

Paladin1

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Trump inciting violence should come as no surprise. Trump is just the latest example of the thugs and racists that are now attracted to and permeate the Republican party. Hopefully this will not prevent the Democrats from properly vetting their nominee.  

 

Like Hillary laughing about assassinating Gaddafi. We shouldn't pretend one political party or by extention politican is more ethical than the other. They're all snakes.

 

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

That said Trump makes an excellent point about the professional instigators of which we've seen at G8/G20, IdleNoMore protests and various blockades.

Unless you mean the police and their agent provocateurs I have no idea what you mean by "professional."  Who do you think is footing the bill to pay people to go into the streets and protest? 

"Trump makes and excellent point" is an oxymoron.

I know it's easy to call people like Trump and Harper idiots and morons but they're not. Passing them off as harmless idiots is what's really dangerous.

 

Police and their agent provocateurs are professionals for sure (I should have mentioned that in my post). While all protestors are obviously not paid there are however examples and stories of professional protestors.   Examples come from the G8/G20, INM and blockades etc.. where the same people repeatedly show up consistantly from one side of the country to the other. If you're genuinely curious/interested I'll spend some time and get examples and references for you Kroptkin.

 

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Looks like Ohio voters are now flocking to Kasich. At least some of the Republicans are tiring of the baffoon. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Trump leading 2 to 1 over next closest opponent in Florida

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Paladin1 wrote:

That said Trump makes an excellent point about the professional instigators of which we've seen at G8/G20, IdleNoMore protests and various blockades.

Kropotkin1951 wrote:

Unless you mean the police and their agent provocateurs I have no idea what you mean by "professional."  Who do you think is footing the bill to pay people to go into the streets and protest? 

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Police and their agent provocateurs are professionals for sure (I should have mentioned that in my post). While all protestors are obviously not paid there are however examples and stories of professional protestors.   Examples come from the G8/G20, INM and blockades etc.. where the same people repeatedly show up consistantly from one side of the country to the other. If you're genuinely curious/interested I'll spend some time and get examples and references for you Kroptkin.

I have heard this line in BC from every right wing politician we have. You don't need to give me examples. It is a nasty statement meant to marginalize and frankly is an insult to protestors.  You are using this site to promote right wing agendas when you adapt their insults.

I have gone to protests in numerous cites and often have traveled to assert my right to protest. You I gather have never protested anything except maybe protestors.

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Birther Trump has turned the GOP race into a farce and now the GOP is bitterly divided. As a result it should be a shoe-in for the Democrats to retain the presidency and perhaps retake control of the Senate as well. But strange things can happen in politics.

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Obama on Trump's popularity.

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“What is happening in this primary is just a distillation of what’s been happening inside their party for more than a decade. I mean, the reason that many of their voters are responding is because this is what’s been fed through the messages they’ve been sending for a long time — that you just make flat assertions that don’t comport with the facts. That you just deny the evidence of science. That compromise is a betrayal. That the other side isn’t simply wrong, or we just disagree, we want to take a different approach, but the other side is destroying the country, or treasonous. I mean, that’s — look it up. That’s what they’ve been saying.”

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Rachel Maddow: Donald Trump chose to visit cities with recent racial unrest

MSNBC host says violence at Trump rallies is not an accident, and notes Chicago, St Louis and Cleveland have been sites of unrest over police killings

 

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/13/rachel-maddow-donald-trum...

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Trump ends Illinois rally with poem about terrorism 

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Trump ends Illinois rally with poem about terrorism 

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/mar/13/donald-trum-bernie-s...

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The Chicago Anti-Trump Protest Was Only the Beginning

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/the-chicago-anti-trump-protes...

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Looks like the fascist state of Amerikkka have found their new orange hued dictator. I've been following this sideshow and as much as I agree with Maddow's synopsis,the media should shoulder most of the blame. And not just the news media.

I wasn't around in the 1930's but this still looks very familiar.

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What I fear comes next is Trump having thugs in matching outfits patrolling his rallies, especially in open carry states.

josh

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Looks like Ohio voters are now flocking to Kasich. At least some of the Republicans are tiring of the baffoon. 

 

 

 

 

 


Kasich remains popular in his state. Wouldn't at all be a surprise if GE wins there.

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

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I have heard this line [professional protesters] in BC from every right wing politician we have. You don't need to give me examples. It is a nasty statement meant to marginalize and frankly is an insult to protestors.  You are using this site to promote right wing agendas when you adapt their insults.

Correct.

But if there were "professional" provocateurs  (ie.  involving sophisticated strategists  planting violent provocateurs to link Trump with the FUD of chaos) you'd have to look at who would benefit.

It would be neither the Clinton nor Sanders camps, both of which would do best against the T-Rumpasaurus rather than the  more establishment clutch of GOP sociopathic candidates whom the establishment media could endorse.

There is a real fear loose cannon Trump could sink the GOP.  Large numbers of the  vilest GOP neocon warmongers are already lining up for the vile Hillary. Additionally the multi-trillion dollar "defense" industry--and the financial industry-- do not want the uncertain risk of a unpredictable Trump.

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American Exceptionalism and the Election Made in Hell (Or Why I'd Vote For Trump Over Hillary)  -  by William Blum

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/11/american-exceptionalism-and-the-e...

"If an American presidential election winds up with Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump, and my passport is confiscated, and I'm somehow FORCED to choose one or the other, or I'm PAID to do so, paid well...I would vote for Trump..."

 

Credible Account Says Clinton is Behind Violent Protests At Trump Rallies

https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2016/03/13/credible-account-s...

"I think everybody in the country has heard about these violent protests [at Trump rallies] which are being blamed on supporters of Bernie Sanders...This is a false flag. These demonstrators are flying under a false banner. They are not Sanders supporters by and large. This is an operation directed by supporters of Hillary Clinton, paid for by George Soros and Move-On, by David Brock at Media Matters for America, also funded by Soros, and also by the reclusive billionaire Jonathan Lewis.

The idea here, very clearly, is to divide the Sanders economic voters from Trump; in other words, those voters who lost their jobs because of NAFTA and all the other globalist international trade deals that have screwed this country, they now realize that these voters are potentially, when Sanders is out of the race, Trump votes, and this is an effort to make Trump toxic, to disqualify him a a racist, bigot.

This is essentially a hoax. You're now going to see these phony demonstrators, these ringers, showing up at other Trump events. That's as much as I'm prepared to say..."

 

 

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This is essentially a hoax. You're now going to see these phony demonstrators, these ringers, showing up at other Trump events.

Presumably "ringers" is just a shorter and less objectionable term for "professional protesters".

But in an "Occam-esque" sort of way, when someone refers to "professional protesters" or "paid shills" or whatever, I immediately wonder whether there might be some who would do the same work for free.  Because who would be stupid enough to pay people to do something that others would do -- and maybe even WANT to do -- for nothing?

Politics is a blood-sport now.  Your party isn't just a group of candidates who represent what you believe, it's a cause unto itself.  So yes, you probably will see these "ringers" again, because until they're dead on the battlefield, they still have a duty to that cause.

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Usually these 'ringers' or 'provocateurs' are police.

There is no hoax. The rhetoric,and when you read or hear Trump talking about anything,there's a recurring theme. 'Them' ,'those people' , 'troublemakers' And whom would he be referring to? Of course he's referring to those who oppose him but let's not beat around the bush. He's talking about brown people.

The man acts like El Duce and speaks like Hitler. That's not hyperbole or Godwin's Law. It's the truth.

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Usually these 'ringers' or 'provocateurs' are police.

I don't really think they're on anyone's payroll.  To whatever degree they even exist, I think they're individuals who've wound themselves up.

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The man acts like El Duce

The Mexican wrestler?

Actually, there was an El Duce.  But trust me, you don't want to Google it.

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Mr. Magoo wrote:

 

The Mexican wrestler?

Actually, there was an El Duce.  But trust me, you don't want to Google it.

Well he is a clown running a 3 ring circus. But no. I meant Mussolini and his mannerisms are uncanny. His ralleys are the sort of thing you saw at beer halls back in 1930's Germany. So I'm very comfortable with comparing him with Hitler.

As for 'professional protesters' they are usually cops. Specifically during Summit meetings.

What I saw in Chicago was far from a hoax. And who in their right mind would think Clinton is so popular or powerful as to have coordinated this protest?

The whole affair has the noxious acrid stench of Alex Jones or his sycopants.

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OK.  But if you believe that the protesters might be nothing more than paid state agents, then the left surely shouldn't support them, or their actions, yes?

From the link in #34:

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The effort to shut down Trump’s rally was prompted by anger that the New York billionaire would seek to bring his campaign to the college, which has a very diverse student body. As Alex Seitz-Wald detailed in a report for NBC News, a number of student organizations decided at a meeting last Monday to organize a protest. “He’s marginalized and dehumanized a lot of different groups, and they all come together,” Juan Rosas, one of the student organizers, told Seitz-Wald. After a student posted a petition on MoveOn.org, outside groups and activists also got involved. “Everyone, get your tickets to this. We’re all going in!!!! ‪#‎SHUTITDOWN,” Ja’Mal Green, a Chicago activist and singer who has been helping to organize protests against the city’s mayor, Rahm Emanuel, wrote on his Facebook page.

From the point of view of the protest’s organizers, Trump’s decision to call off the rally was a great success. And it is likely to encourage similar efforts in other cities. “Remember the #TrumpRally wasn’t just luck,” People for Bernie, a group of activists that supports Bernie Sanders’s Presidential campaign (but isn’t formally associated with it), tweeted shortly after the Chicago event was cancelled. “It took organizers from dozens of organizations and thousands of people to pull off. Great work.”

Why would any bona fide progressives want to do exactly the same thing as -- and stand shoulder-to-shoulder with -- some paid cops??

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Alan is correct about the media being somewhat to blame for blindly showing Birther Trump's antics without the essential criticism required to put a halt to this nonsense. Good on the protestors as Birther Trump needs to be greeted everywhere he goes now by bigger and bigger groups of protestors until the protestors outnumber his supporters. Birther Trump is enciting violence and should be charged by the police.  

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Inside the Rowdy, Racist Canceled Trump Rally

Trump got a not so friendly welcome in Chicago Friday 

www.rollingstone.com

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Alan is correct about the media being somewhat to blame for blindly showing Birther Trump's antics without the essential criticism required to put a halt to this nonsense.

What constitutes this "essential" criticism of Trump's silliness?

If some crank-with-a-microphone claims that Sanders was actually born in Sri Lanka, is the media obliged to debunk this, or can they just say "Crank-with-a-microphone Claims Sanders Born In Sri-Lanka"?

And really, it's not like the media could even debunk it.

Birthers: "OF COURSE the media would say that!  They know who to tug the forelock to!!!!"

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Dilbert: The Trump Riots Are Mostly My Fault

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/140995102361/the-trump-riots-that-are-mostl...

"...It would be easy to blame the protesters for taking this too far. But all they are doing is responding to hate speech from the next Hitler. Shouldn't someone be fighting hard to stop Hitler? We can't blame people for wanting fewer Hitlers..."

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We all know that Birther Trump's campaign is going to end badly. Hopefully as Rubio expressed today, no one is going to get killed in the process. Having said that, it is essential that Birther Trump gets challenged every single time he shares another one of his pathological lies with us. In other words every time Birther Trump opens his mouth. And the media needs to start owning their responsibilities in this circus. 

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