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NorthReport

So the Russian Ultimatum story does seem to have originated in Kiev from the Ukrainian Denfence Ministry. And Interfax said that was untrue.

Ukraine crisis timelineRussia's President Vladimir Putin (c), Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu (left) and head of the Russian army's main department of combat preparation Ivan Buvaltsev watch military exercises at the Kirillovsky firing ground in the Leningrad regionRussia has been accused by Ukraine of orchestrating much of the violence in Ukraine

Tensions in Ukraine have been escalating after the elected President Viktor Yanukovych and his allies were ousted in a popular uprising in February.

The new Ukrainian government and Russia are in a standoff. Russian President Vladimir Putin is sending more troops to Ukraine, which has mobilised its armed forces.

BBC News looks at key moments in the crisis.

March

3 March: Russia's military gives Ukrainian forces a deadline to surrender or face an assault, Ukrainian defence sources said. The head of Russia's Black Sea Fleet Aleksander Vitko sets the deadline and threatens an attack "across Crimea". He also reportedly told two warships to surrender or be attacked. But the Interfax-Russia news agency later quoted a spokesman for the Russian Black Sea Fleet as denying the reports, which he dismissed as "nonsense".

 

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26248275

 

 

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NorthReport

Ukraine crisis: US-Europe rifts surfacing as Putin tightens Crimea grip

Barack Obama threatens to 'isolate Russia' as EU ministers resist trade sanctions

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/03/ukraine-crisis-us-europe-pu...

NorthReport

 

Crimea: Putin's mission accomplishedPJ Crowley

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26418621

NorthReport

Ukraine's Yanukovych asked for troops, Russia tells UN

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26427848

NDPP

12 Videos Showing Why Ukraine Fears and Stands Up To Radical Nationalists (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-nationalists-fears-video-674/

"They want 'Ukraine for Ukrainians!' It's members salute Nazi style and shout nationalist slogans like 'Glory to the Nation!

'Death to Enemies!'

 

 

Ukraine and Egypt: A Tale of Two Coups  -  by Eric Walberg

http://ericwalberg.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=519

"...a coalition that would embrace right wing nationalists and Europhiles was necessary to defeat the pro-Russians, a repeat of the 2004 color revolution that brought the Europhiles to power but left Ukraine in even worse shape than it was.

And because a repeat performance of 2004 would not get the same response from a jaded populus, it was necessary to allow the neo-Nazis to be at the forefront of the resistance, given their enthusiasm for violent confrontation in the name of the fatherland.

Ironically, they gather under the misnomer Freedom Party, while their Europhile allies of convenience (ex PM Tymoshenko and current PM Yatsenyuk) gather under the equally misnamed Fatherland Party.

Neofascists and neoliberals are joined in an unholy alliance for 'freedom' and 'fatherland' against a weak, waffling government less pretentiously merely trying to placate conflicting groups, with the US finding itself on the side of the neofascists.

Does this sound like Egypt, Syria, Libya? Writes Israel Shamir, 'Liberals do not have to support democracy. They can join forces with al Qaeda as now in Syria, with Islamic extremists as in Libya, with the army as in Egypt, or with neo-Nazis, as now in Russia and the Ukraine.

The new government includes Freedom (read neofascist) Party officials in control of the armed forces, national security, the economy, justice and education. They include the 'kommandant' of the EuroMaidan movement Andriy Parubiy as the new secretary of the National Security and National Defense Committee, Oleh Makhnitsky as the new prosecutor-general of Ukraine, Serhiy Kvit as the new education minister to name a few.

This no doubt gives heart to neo fascists in western Europe, who are itching to join similar coalitions...

Already the coup is unraveling, an unstable mix of neofascist xenophobes and neoliberal Europhiles. Rebel leader Aleksandr Muzychko has threatened to assassinate the new interior minister after his pledge to investigate Muzychko for some of his recent actions. Sound like Libya...?

 

Natalia Vitrenko: 'USA and EU with Ukrainian Terrorists, Establish Nazi Regime'

http://rolandsanjuan.blogspot.ca/2014/02/usa-and-eu-with-ukrainian-terro...

"Washington and Brussels should heed our warnings. We charge them and the political forces they have brought to power, with full responsibility for the establishment of a totalitarian Nazi regime in Ukraine, with the inevitable gross violation of the rights and freedoms of millions of our fellow citizens.

The US and EU should kow, that the political parties and movements that have seized power, among which are neo-Nazi forces such as Svoboda and Right Sector, announced as they did so, that they were carrying out a national revolution under the slogans:

- 'Ukraine For Ukrainians!'    'Glory To the Nation - Death to the Enemies!'   'Knife the Muscovites and Hang the Communists!'

As of Feb 22, these now in power bear complete responsibility for all Ukraine and for violation of the rights and freedoms of citizens..."

 

The Dark Side of the Ukraine Revolt   - by Conn Hallinan

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/03/the-dark-side-of-the-ukraine-revolt/

"I was horrified to see photographs...of young Ukrainians wearing the dreaded SS uniform with swastikas clearly visible on their helmets as they carried caskets of members of this Nazi unit, lowered them into the ground and fired gun salutes in their honor...'

'The April 6 rally in Cherka, a city 100 miles southeast of Kiev, turned violent after six men took off their jackets to read T-shirts emblazoned with the words 'Beat the Kikes' and 'Svoboda', the name of the Ukrainian ultrantionalist movement..."

'You'd never know from most of the reporting that far right nationalists and fascists have been at the heart of the protests...'

Svoboda is hardly a fringe organization..."

NDPP

Rule By Oligarchs: Kiev Appoints Billionaires To Govern East (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-oligarch-rule-governors-512/

"The self-proclaimed government in Kiev has appointed two of Ukraine's richest men to govern large industrial regions in the defiant east....Some Ukraine observers suggest that the oligarchs...financed the Maidan protests."

 

Kerry's Threats Vs Russia Unacceptable, West Sides With Neo-Nazis - Russian FM

http://rt.com/news/kerry-statement-ukraine-unacceptable-605/

"The USA and its allies have closed their eyes to the excesses of the radical fighters on Maidan.

In the process, the West has effectively allied itself with neo-Nazis who are smashing up Orthodox churches and synagogues while 'declaring war on the Russian language'

josh

Russian propaganda helps fuel crisis (just as Ukrainian and western propaganda does).

 

http://www.juancole.com/2014/03/paranoia-russian-propaganda.html

6079_Smith_W

NDPP wrote:

Rule By Oligarchs: Kiev Appoints Billionaires To Govern East (and vid)

So that article accuses the new government of working with the same power base as Yanukovich did.There's a reason why.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/world/europe/ukraine-turns-to-its-olig...

Stockholm

Since did tyhe extreme left in Canada become apologists for Tsarist Russia??

Unionist

Solid article, as usual, by rabble's own Duncan Cameron:

[url=http://rabble.ca/columnists/2014/03/ukraine-power-play-whats-stake]Ukraine power play: What's at stake?[/url]

Quote:

Russia does not want to see the Ukraine break up; it has no interest in absorbing eastern parts of Ukraine just because they share a border. Any split would draw western Ukraine into closer relations with western Europe, and make it a client for NATO membership.

In the post-communist era, the U.S. has been pursuing an aggressive policy, expanding NATO to include former client states of the old Soviet Union such as Hungary and Poland, and even the Baltic republics once a part of the Soviet Union. This troubles Russia greatly, which prefers a Ukraine outside NATO, as do Ukrainians themselves.

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The Ukrainian political scene is frightening. Svoboda is an opposition party that holds ministerial appointments in the interim government. It is openly anti-Semitic, as is another main opposition group, Right Centre.

The main threat to the Ukrainian population does not come from Russia, it comes from political instability and economic hardship. Creating solid, reliable civic institutions amidst poverty and economic chaos is not going to happen quickly or without help. Ukraine needs international support; it does not need NAFTA or EU-type economic medicine. 

The extent to which the World Bank, IMF and other international agencies set up after World War II have failed emerging nations and the post-communist world has yet to be properly measured, evaluated, judged and understood.

 

josh

Stockholm wrote:

Since did tyhe extreme left in Canada become apologists for Tsarist Russia??

The same question could be asked some with respect to Ukrainian neo-Nazis

josh

In a Western-media passion play that largely disdains or distorts context and history, Putin is the designated villain. But Ukraine is central to Russian security, and Russian fears arising from instability in its next-door neighbor are far less about economic relations with the EU (Russia itself is a major source of energy for the Europeans) than the further extension of NATO to its borders. A hostile Ukraine might displace Russian bases on the Black Sea, harbor the American fleet and provide a home to NATO bases. This isn’t an irrational fear. Despite promises by George H.W. Bush not to extend the West’s Cold War military alliance when Germany was united, nine former Warsaw Pact nations and three former Soviet republics have now been incorporated into NATO, with the US-NATO even setting up a military outpost in Georgia. And the EU Association Agreement, advertised as offering free trade, in fact included military clauses that called for integrating Ukraine into the EU military structure, including cooperation on “civilian and military crisis management operations” and “relevant exercises” concerning them.

http://www.thenation.com/article/178655/time-realism-and-common-sense-uk...

Stockholm

josh wrote:

Stockholm wrote:

Since did tyhe extreme left in Canada become apologists for Tsarist Russia??

The same question could be asked some with respect to Ukrainian neo-Nazis

We know for a fact that Russia is a neo-Tsarist imperialist dictatorship under Tsar Vladimir. Its pure speculation as to what government will emerge in Ukraine...if Ukraine becomes part of the EU - I'm not too concerned about National Socialism running rampant. If you want a real example of horrific oppressive dictatorship in Europe - look no further than the Russian puppet tinpot dictatorship in Belarus.

Stockholm

Has anyone noted that Ukrainian elections have tended to be very close lately with the country typically split almst 50/50 between those backing pro-Russian parties and those backing pro-European parties. Crimea tends to vote about 80% for the pro-Russians - so once Russia finishes conquering Crimea - the pro-Russians will never be able to win an election in Ukraine again since they will have been deprived of a huge block of votes in Crimea. It would be like having the Quebec Liberals try to win a provincial election in Quebec after the western half of Montreal decided to become part of Ontario!

6079_Smith_W

@ josh

So are we to glean from that that the most important thing in Ukraine is what is best for Vladimir Putin?

and @ Unionist

Russia has already started to break up Ukraine.

And after reading that linked article I did a bit of reading on the reliability of globalresearch.ca as a news source.

According to another source, some of those quotes were misattributed.

http://forward.com/articles/193488/ukraines-unfinished-revolution-sparks...?

 

 

josh

6079_Smith_W wrote:

@ josh

So are we to glean from that that the most important thing in Ukraine is what is best for Vladimir Putin?

 

 

No.  That Russia has security interests that in a world with spheres of influence is not unique.  That Russia is reacting to the west's encroachment on its border rather than invading Ukraine for the sake of taking it over:

From Putin’s perspective, in other words, the United States hardly looks in retreat. To the contrary, the post-Cold War period has brought one long march by America and its allies closer and closer to the border of Russia itself. But there was no reason to believe that Russia—which under Putin has been regaining its confidence on the world stage—would go on contracting forever. And by 2008, when Russia sent troops into parts of Georgia, it was already clear that NATO’s expansion onto former Soviet soil had come to a halt.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/03/no-american-weakness-didnt-encourage-putin-to-invade-ukraine/284168/

 

Stockholm

josh wrote:

No.  That Russia has security interests that in a world with spheres of influence is not unique.  That Russia is reacting to the west's encroachment on its border rather than invading Ukraine for the sake of taking it over:

So using that logic the US would be justified in invading Cuba and installing a pro-American puppet there? Cuba is as close to the US as Ukraine is to Russia!

josh

Stockholm wrote:

josh wrote:

No.  That Russia has security interests that in a world with spheres of influence is not unique.  That Russia is reacting to the west's encroachment on its border rather than invading Ukraine for the sake of taking it over:

So using that logic the US would be justified in invading Cuba and installing a pro-American puppet there? Cuba is as close to the US as Ukraine is to Russia!

The U.S. sure tried in the past. But now has settled for trying to starve them out. Not to mention invading Grenada, the Dominican Republican, Panama, etc. The point is that the U.S. in particular is no position to complain about Russia's actions. Powerful countries have their spheres of influence.

Stockholm

If this were 1968 - I wonder how many people on babble would be apologists for Brezhnev and would be telling us that the Soviets were justified in crushing the Prague spring?

I just find it fascinating how a certain generation of Communists spent so much of their lives always supporting and making excuses for whatever Russia was doing - that they still can't stop being pro-Russian - even when Russia has turned into a rightwing authoritarian country with no redeeming features whatsoever.

6079_Smith_W

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough.

So what is really important here is the interests of world powers like Russia, China and the U.S., and not crowding them too much?

I mean we seem to be bouncing between that and these accusations that the Ukrainians are all a pack of Nazis.

 

josh

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough.

So what is really important here is the interests of world powers like Russia, China and the U.S., and not crowding them too much?

 

 

I don't know about "really important," but it is an important consideration. In the ideal world it wouldn't be, but in this world of military and economic interests, it is.

josh

Stockholm wrote:

If this were 1968 - I wonder how many people on babble would be apologists for Brezhnev and would be telling us that the Soviets were justified in crushing the Prague spring?

I just find it fascinating how a certain generation of Communists spent so much of their lives always supporting and making excuses for whatever Russia was doing - that they still can't stop being pro-Russian - even when Russia has turned into a rightwing authoritarian country with no redeeming features whatsoever.

Not surprisingly you're missing the point, Senator McCarthy. The west should not have a collective pearl clutching because Russia is defending its military interests in Ukraine. Which they have not taken over.

Stockholm

josh wrote:

The west should not have a collective pearl clutching because Russia is defending its military interests in Ukraine. Which they have not taken over.

I for one think it would be nice if the west (along with east, north and south) DID consistently engage in pearl clutching everytime any country attacks another. If China were to invade Vietnam - I hope we would all object. If the US invaded Cuba - i hope we would all object and if Russia invades Ukraine, i hope we would all object.

NDPP

Lighting the Fires For Chaos in Ukraine

http://rickrozoff.wordpress.com/2014/03/04/lighting-the-fires-for-chaos-...

"A couple of people have wondered if I exaggerated the possibility of war with Russia over Ukraine. I don't think so - in fact I would suggest the proxy war is already underway.

Two of the first things that happened following the US-led coup d'etat in Ukraine were the 'new government' declaring that the Russian language would be outlawed in the country (which has millions of Russians in it) and that the ban on Nazi symbols and ideology would be lifted.

It cannot be said often enough that many of the violent agitators in Kiev were in fact the ultra-nationalist descendants of those Ukrainian Nazi sympathizers who supported Hitler's invasion of the former Soviet Union during WWII.

But there is even more..."

 

Hammer-Wielding Nationalists Storm Town Council Meeting in Kiev Suburbs (and video)

http://rt.com/news/nationalists-storm-council-meeting-701/

"A group of nationalist-radical 'Right Sector' broke into a City Council meeting..."

DaveW

Stockholm wrote:

If this were 1968 - I wonder how many people on babble would be apologists for Brezhnev and would be telling us that the Soviets were justified in crushing the Prague spring?

Quite  a few. There always loads of apologists here for dictators, as long as they repeat a few anti-imperialist lines.

(Weren't you banned here for criticizing Mugabe at his worst?)

Russia feels surrounded, bla bla, despite having the largest land surface of any country. What about Georgia feeling surrounded, or Latvia, or... Ukraine?

Stockholm

NDPP wrote:

It cannot be said often enough that many of the violent agitators in Kiev were in fact the ultra-nationalist descendants of those Ukrainian Nazi sympathizers who supported Hitler's invasion of the former Soviet Union during WWII.

It cannot be said often enough that many of the violent agitators in Moscow and Crimea were in fact the ultra-nationalist descendants of those Russian Stalinist sympathizers who supported Russia's starvation of ten million Ukrainians during the Stalinist purges of the 1930s.

BTW: Aren't virtually all inhabitants of today's Germany "descendants of Nazi sympathizers"??

mersh

josh wrote:

The west should not have a collective pearl clutching because Russia is defending its military interests in Ukraine. Which they have not taken over.

Am loving this quote function. And Josh, for clarity. And Jonathan Freedland for shining some light on our hypocrisy:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/04/o-10-ukraine-sancti...

 

Britain will "not support, for now, trade sanctions … or close London's financial centre to Russians." In other words, even if Russia is in the process of invading a sovereign state, Britain will still do nothing that might dent the profits of the money men in the City.

Unionist

6079_Smith_W wrote:

I mean we seem to be bouncing between that and these accusations that the Ukrainians are all a pack of Nazis.

Some of my family members were given refuge by Ukrainians - probably why I'm sitting here and typing.

Ukrainians have a long and noble history of resisting enslavement, colonialism, and fascism - including Nazism. Their descendants, and their traditions, are alive and well in Ukraine today.

But then, you have the others. The bloodthirsty butchers, the anti-Semites, the chauvinist fanatics - the followers of Bandera, Petlyura, and Adolf Hitler. They too are around - in the streets - in dark corners - and some are now around the cabinet table. If they could, they would drag Ukraine back to the killing fields.

I have no doubt that the Ukrainians who champion freedom, democracy, and solidarity between people, will prevail.

 

Unionist

8 million?:

Stockholm wrote:
On the other hand Putin seems to be spearheading an attempt to rehabilitate Stalin's image in Russia and is trying to cast him as some sort of hero...why not? he only single handedly starved something like 8 million Ukrainians to death in the Holodomor.

10 million?:

Stockholm wrote:
... Russia's starvation of ten million Ukrainians...

Whatever.

 

Stockholm

The estimates of how many Ukrainians Stalin killed range from 2.5 million to 10 million - whatever - he was one of the most evil human beings in world history...though that doesn't stop Putin from deifying him.

6079_Smith_W

Exactly Unionist.

I'm not denying that there are right-wing radicals and anti-semites looking to take advantage of this. I'm not even denying that some of them aren't in positions of power,  but even within the ranks of Svoboda it is not so cut and dried. And given difficulty and high stakes in a situation like this, it is hardly surprising that some are forced into positions where they have to deal with people who are in fact enemies.

 

 

 

 

 

NorthReport

Divided? What group of people are not divided?

Ukraine crisis: Europe wrings hands as Vladimir Putin checkmates Crimea

Little wonder EU is divided, it's been misreading Vladimir Putin for years

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-crisis-europe-wrings-hands-as-vladi...

NorthReport

Ukraine: Putin's headaches

There are still factors beyond the control of Russia's president: the economy, regional resistance, and the Crimea's Tatars

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/04/ukraine-putin-three-headaches

NorthReport
NorthReport

It's Time to Reduce Tensions and Create Possibility

http://washingtoninformer.com/news/2014/mar/03/jesse-jackson-its-time-re...

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..i think it’s important that we understand what is happening in ukraine. but i don’t know what all the arguing is about re who’s the worst. as if the west isn’t responsible for millions of deaths via their proxy wars and proxy dictatorships in africa, asia, south and central america. not to mention their internal genocides and slavery. these are leaderships we all face in our respective countries as working people.

..what is being left out is a working class perspective. from the sommers & hudson piece that i posted earlier. the people of ukraine are to be fucked over no mater which way they turn.

quote:

So far, the neo-Cold War crossfire has left Ukraine indebted to Russia and the EU. Who will be liable for the 60 billion euros in Ukrainian bonds that Russians hold? Yields on ten-year bonds have just jumped above the 10 percent level (and shorter-term bonds much higher), indicating a general expectation of default. What will Russia charge for the gas it ships through Ukraine? Would a separatist NATO-Western Ukraine be able to buy gas at an equally low price as the Eastern Ukraine? Will Germans freeze in the dark?

When ethnic Ukrainians look to the EU as their savior, they have lost their sense of timing. They are seeing the last vestiges of a “Social Europe” that has been sacrificed on the altar of neoliberalism. Yanukovych had been urged to raise the VAT and tax labor all the more, but he resisted in order to prevent earlier popular unrest. Now that the Ukraine promises to move under Western neoliberal tutelage, the first policies that one can expect are higher taxes on labor and consumers – and an accelerated capital flight out of the country to the Eurozone and Switzerland.

Having suffered a generation under Stalin and his successors, Ukrainians will now be able to compare that to the hand of IMF central planners. Who needs a military thrust when a new round of shock therapy and austerity will do the trick more deftly?...

http://michael-hudson.com/2014/03/ukraine-go-west-young-man/

NorthReport

Thanks e13 for the above.

Wars in the last century at least, are always business deals. Always have been, and always will be.

Interesting to hear about that leaked documnet today from the UK wanting to ensure that London remaining as a key Financial Centre had a higher priority than anything concerning Ukraine.

Wonder what the Germans are thinking about all this?

Tom Walkom has an article about Ukraine worth reading in the Star today.

 

NorthReport

U.S. strategy for Ukraine crisis: Money Talks

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/04/politics/ukraine-us-aid/

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“Stalingrad”: A national myth for Putin’s Russia

Fedor Bondarchuk on his eye-popping WWII epic, which helps explain the psychology behind the Ukraine crisis

 

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/05/stalingrad_a_national_myth_for_putins_ru...

PrairieDemocrat15

Stockholm wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Russian Option To Send Troops is Only to Protect Human Rights - Lavrov

http://rt.com/news/lavrov-human-rights-ukraine-542/

Is this a joke??? Human rights are totally non-existent in Putin's Tsarist Russia and they claim they are invading Crimea to protect human rights??? Isn't that like what Hitler said when he annexed the Sudetenland? 

I'm baffled by the responses of some on this forum. Sure, its good to be critical of the West's wholehearted embrace of Ukraine's new government and some Western government's combative stances with Russia. Its also good to question the legitimacy of the new government and the uprising in general and be wary of the rightist and racist forces in the Ukrainian government and Rada. However, I'm totally shocked by the support some are giving to Putin's occupation of Crimea. Since when does the existance of minorities in a region give a country the right to invade said region. If that is the case, BC should be wary of a Chinese occupation of Vancouver.

I also undestand taking Western (and especially corporate) media coverage of Ukraine with a grain of salt. But, my God, quoting Russia Today as an objective account of what's going on in Crimea!?

NorthReport

Too bad CBC News Anchors are't so forthcoming, eh!

State-funded network's news anchor: 'What Russia did is wrong'

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/04/world/europe/russia-news-anchor-ukraine/

 

NorthReport

So the Russians ally themselves with thugs just like........... gee, who else does that.  

Meet ‘Goblin’ — Moscow’s man in Crimea

Sergey Aksyonov’s sudden rise as Moscow’s crucial point man in Crimea has revived simmering allegations of an underworld past going back to the lawless 1990s.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/03/04/meet_goblin_moscows_man_in_...

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NDPP

Putin: Deploying Military Force is Last Resort But We Reserve Right

http://rt.com/news/putin-statement-ukraine-russia-743/

"...If we see this lawlessness starting in eastern regions, if the people ask us for help - in addition to a plea from a legitimate president, which we already have - then we reserve the right to use all the means we possess to protect those citizens. And we consider it quite legitimate.

We are not going to war against the Ukrainian people,' he said. I want you to understand it unambiguously. If we take a decision, it would only be to protect Ukrainian citizens.'

At the same time he accused the US and its allies of having no regard to legitimacy when they use military force in pursuit of their own national interests.

Putin stated that the Ukrainian people had a legitimate reason to protest against Yanukovich's power , considering the overwhelming corruption and other faults of his presidency. But he objected to the illegitimate way his ouster took place.

'I strictly object to this form [of transfer of power] in Ukraine, and anywhere in the post-Soviet space. This does not help nurture a culture of law. If someone is allowed to act this way, then everyone is allowed to. And this means chaos. That's the worst thing that can happen to a country with an unstable economy and an unestablished political system,' Putin explained."

 

Russia Allowed To Have 25,000 Troops in Crimea Since 1999...& Other Facts You May Not Know

http://rt.com/news/russian-troops-crimea-ukraine-816/

"Ukraine's statement at the UN that 16,000 Russian soldiers have been deployed to Crimea has caused a frenzy among Western media which chooses to ignore that those troops have been there since the late 1990s in accordance with a Kiev-Moscow agreement.

Western media describes the situation in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea as if a full-scale Russian invasion was underway, with headlines like: 'Ukraine Says Russia Sent 16,000 Troops To Crimea...

It seems they have chosen to simply ignore the fact that those Russian troops have been stationed in Crimea for over a decade. Russia's representative to the UN, Vitaly Churkin reminded on Tuesday that the deal surrounding the Black Sea Fleet allows Russia to station a contingent of 25,000 troops in Ukraine..."

 

Russia Slams Ukraine's UN Envoy For Publicly Justifying Nazi Collaborators

http://rt.com/news/russia-ukraine-justifying-nazi-840/

"Russia has slammed Ukraine's UN envoy for justifying Ukrainian Nazi collaborators on the sidelines of the Security Council session. The diplomat said the USSR fabricated accusations against Ukrainian nationalists during the Nuremberg trials of the 1940s.

'With these words, [the] Ukrainian representative at the UN offended the memory of killed Russians, Ukrainians, Jews, Poles and citizens of other nationalities who fell victim to the atrocities committed by Ukrainian Nazi supporters,' Russia's Foreign Ministry said in a statement responding to Ukrainian diplomat Yuriy Sergeyev.

'There is a lot of proof of their violent crimes. We are ready to acquaint Sergeyev with them.' The division between west and east sharpened one more time in 2010, when then President Victor Yushchenko posthumously honored Bandera and Shukhevich with the title of 'Hero of Ukraine'.

The move was condemned by the European Union as well as a number of Jewish organizations around the world. The award sparked anger in Russia - where Bandera is regarded as a fascist - and Poland where he is blamed for organizing the mass killings of Poles."

NDPP

Skullduggery in Ukraine  -  by Peter Lee

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/04/skullduggery-in-ukraine/

"...What we see in Ukraine today is the messy consequence of a clumsily executed regime change strategy. What amazes me is the widespread desire to turn this rather sordid escapade into a 'good vs evil' 'US vs Russia' cage match."

 

Putin is Playing Chess While the West Plays Checkers  -  by John Wight

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/04/putin-is-playing-chess-while-the-...

"No amount of dissembling and propaganda can alter the fact that a democratically elected government was overturned by an armed mob, with fascists and neo-Nazis playing a key role, thus revealing that where the West is concerned democracy is not an end but merely a means to an end.

This end is focused on the creation of governments pliant to western interests, regardless of whether those governments come by way of the ballot box or the mob. The hypocrisy, in this regard, is clear.

 

Crimea River  -  by Mike Whitney

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/04/crimea-river/

"Here's something you won't read in the mainstream media: Ukraine's fake revolution is over. It ended when Russian Intelligence agents uncovered a plan by coup plotters to destabilize the Crimea using the same strategy they'd used in Kiev,

That is, seizing government buildings, inciting violence and spreading terror. The discovery, which included 'hacked' emails, shaped events on the ground. Russian troops were deployed to beef up security at the airports and government buildings, making it impossible for the putsch to succeed.

In other words, the Kremlin implemented its own 'preemption' scheme and it worked like a charm. The Washington-backed coup in the Crimea was foiled and order was maintained. Score one for Russia..."

 

 

PrairieDemocrat15

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/the-ukraine-crisis-through-the-whimsy-of-in...

Niel Macdonald, as always, provides an excellent article. Unlike most Western observers, he admits that Yanukovych's government, however unpopular, was democratically elected and undemocratically overthrown. Moroever, he notes the rightist forces in the new Ukrainian government and criticises the reluctance of Western politicians and media to admit this fact.

"Listening to U.S. President Barack Obama bang on this week about the importance of world opinion and obeying international law and respecting sovereignty and being on the right side of history, you had to wonder whether he didn't have a little voice in his head whispering: "Really? Seriously? I'm actually saying this stuff?"

This is the commander-in-chief of a military that operates a prison camp on Cuban soil, against the explicit wishes of the Cuban government, and which regularly fires drone missiles into other countries, often killing innocent bystanders.

He is a president who ordered that CIA torturers would go unprosecuted, and leads a nation that has invaded other countries whenever it wished, regardless of what the rest of the world might think."

josh

PrairieDemocrat15 wrote:

I'm baffled by the responses of some on this forum. Sure, its good to be critical of the West's wholehearted embrace of Ukraine's new government and some Western government's combative stances with Russia. Its also good to question the legitimacy of the new government and the uprising in general and be wary of the rightist and racist forces in the Ukrainian government and Rada. However, I'm totally shocked by the support some are giving to Putin's occupation of Crimea. Since when does the existance of minorities in a region give a country the right to invade said region. If that is the case, BC should be wary of a Chinese occupation of Vancouver.

I also undestand taking Western (and especially corporate) media coverage of Ukraine with a grain of salt. But, my God, quoting Russia Today as an objective account of what's going on in Crimea!?

 

I for one am not supporting Russia's actions. I am trying to explain it, and to point out that it is not unusual for a powerful country to act to defend its sphere of influence. And the hypocrisy of the west, particularly the U.S.

josh

One day after trading a series of contentious remarks and veiled threats, the U.S. and Russia are preparing to come together in talks over the ongoing crisis in Ukraine with Secretary of State John Kerry now scheduled to meet with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Paris on Wednesday. In a separate meeting in Brussels, a Russian delegation will also meet with its NATO counterparts as European nations try to find a way to tamp down the tensions with Russia's President Vladimir Putin over the overthrow of the government in Kiev and the military intervention in Crimea.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/03/05-0

Unionist

PrairieDemocrat15 wrote:

However, I'm totally shocked by the support some are giving to Putin's occupation of Crimea.

Where did you see this?

6079_Smith_W

@ Unionist

When it comes right down to it, I even said that it might be a fair move  - in a realpolitikal sense, the wiping out of the original Tartars notwithstanding - considering that Russia occupied Crimea before it became part of Ukraine.

I think anyone who doesn't realize Crimea has changed hands is probably fooling themselves.

But I think the articles about Russia only being there to protect human rights, lauding Putin's chess skills, pre-emptive strikes, and the need for Russia to have a buffer all speak to a bit more tolerance for this than if it had been a U.S. invasion.

 

 

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