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ikosmos wrote:

One issue that I think is worth getting clarity on is the question of Russian troops in Crimea, etc.

Let's be clear: "Russia reserves the right to deploy troops in order to prevent bloodshed." So they will do it. But have they?

I'd say yes they have.

The question is what are those Russian troops doing being deployed around Ukrainian military bases, government buildings and setting up check points along roads? They are not preventing bloodshead, they are preventing Ukrainians from doing thier jobs. They should be on their assigned bases pulling garrison duty and not out occupying parts of Ukraine. And why are they not wearing identifying parches on their uniforms while they are doing this? Only the most gullible would not believe they are not Russian soldiers. YouTube even has video of people asking them who they are and some of them say they are Russian soldiers.  

And then there's this... Russian helicopters crossing the boarder into Ukraine.

Don't fool yourself; Russia is using its military muscle to occupy parts of the Ukraine to pressure it into giving it what it wants: Crimea (and they are going to get it).

 

NDPP

Bullshit. There has been no Russian 'invasion' of Ukraine. It is hardly Iraq or Afghanistan. Besides, as with Libya, Syria etc you always back the evil designs and strategems of your hegemonic homeland. I would think you'd be ashamed. I certainly am of my servile-idiotic country.  If I was a Crimean having to choose between the trojan horse Nato neo-nazis in Lviv and the tender mercies of the IMF - or Russia, I know who I'd be voting for. Looks like they'll soon have a chance to do so...

 

Crimean Parliament Votes to Join Russia, Hold Referendum in 10 Day on Ratifying

http://rt.com/news/crimea-referendum-status-ukraine-154/

NorthReport

A Premature History of the Second Cold War

The Ukrainian army has been mobilised, and actual fighting could be only days away if the Russians invade eastern Ukraine, or attack the encircled Ukrainian garrisons in Crimea. Maybe Putin is just bluffing; more likely, he doesn’t yet know himself how far he is willing to go. But one thing generally leads to another, and some bluffs are hard to walk away from. Are we on the brink of a new Cold War?

It wouldn’t be a hot war, except in Ukraine. Nobody will send troops to defend Ukraine, nor should they. Nobody is in position to stop Russia from conquering Ukraine if it chooses to, and turning it into a wider European war (or a world war) would not help matters.

In any case, Moscow would probably not try to conquer ALL of Ukraine. Kyiv and the the west would fight very hard, and after they were defeated they would continue to resist aRussian occupation with guerilla tactics, including terrorism. Putin doesn’t need that, so part of Ukraine would remain free, and call for outside help.

It would come, in the form of financial and military aid, and maybe even what has hitherto been rigorously excluded from the discussion: NATO membership. And there Russia and everybody in NATO would sit for the next five or ten or twenty years in a frozen confrontation that would include a trade embargo, an arms race, and a remote but real possibility of a nuclear war.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/a-premature-history-of-the-second-cold-...

Unionist

[url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/ukraine-bugged-call-catheri... morning chuckle:[/url]

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Asked about the emergence of a second embarrassing phonecall, a spokesperson for the US state department said: "As I said around the last unfortunate case, this is just another example of the kind of Russian tradecraft that we have concerns about."

Eavesdropping on European leaders' cellphones - "Russian" tradecraft - right.

 

NorthReport

About Abby Martin, Liz Wahl and media wars  Laughing

http://rt.com/op-edge/about-liz-wahl-media-wars-126/

6079_Smith_W

NDPP wrote:

Besides, as with Libya, Syria etc you always back the evil designs and strategems of your hegemonic homeland.

You know, NDPP, I sometimes wish you would speak for yourself rather than relying on posted articles. Then when you actually do it I regret that thought.

Excuse me for resorting to it myself, but can we hold off with the ad hominems?

I happen to agree that Russia has crossed a line here. Regardless of whether Crimea eventually decides to secede (which I'm sure they will), or whether if is fair, I call this an occupation. If I wanted to I could start getting red in the face about the mention in the Paet/Ashton conversation of a Ukraine "occupation" of Donetsk. I'm not.

I'm also not freaking out at every mention of a Nazi fascist coup. So maybe we should just accept the fact that some of us see this very differently - and that not all of it has to do with backing uncle sam.

 

 

 

sherpa-finn

NDPP wrote: Bullshit. There has been no Russian 'invasion' of Ukraine.

More magical thinking and pathetic apologism.

The protocole governing Russian troops in Crimea / Ukraine is the standard protocol governing foreign troops based in other countries. (Be those Americans in Philippines; Canadians in Germany; etc.) ie the troops have agreed functions to do on their base and otherwise have absolutely no authority to deploy in the community at large wihout the explicit approval of the host government.

The Russians authorities (political and military) know full well that they have totally broken this international agreement and thus the lame attempts to bluster and conceal the identity of the troops on active external duty across Crimea. Its an illegal occupation, - lets just admit it and move on.

Whether new or additional troops have been brought in is irrelevant.

NorthReport

 

UN envoy to Crimea quits post after anger of pro-Moscow demonstrators

Diplomat retreats, while Ukraine premier, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, commits to 'regaining control' of territory

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/un-envoy-crimea-quits-anger...

NorthReport

Ukraine's revolution and Russia's occupation of Crimea: how we got here

A guide to what's happening, how it got to this point, and why some people say 'the Ukraine'

 Cracking the USSR: In 1991, as the collapsing USSR dissolved its hold on Soviet republics, Ukraine achieved independence, and three years later, Russia, the US, Britain and Ukraine signed the Budapest Memorandum – part of the negotiations aimed at keeping Soviet-era nuclear weapons from scattering to the winds. Ukraine agreed to send its nuclear weapons to Russia to be disarmed there, in return for the three powers' promises to respect Ukraine. Specifically, they agreed never to coerce Ukraine with economic pressure; to never threaten or use force against Ukraine; and to respect Ukrainian territory and sovereignty.

• Ukraine by any other name: While on the subject of Ukrainian sovereignty, a brief aside about the country's name. Though it may seem trivial, many are angered by the addition of the article "the" to Ukraine, arguing that it undermines Ukrainian statehood. Theories of its etymology vary, but most are rooted in Ukraine's history of being on the peripheries of Russian power, as linguists suggest Ukraine derives from an Old Slavic word for "borderland." (For more on Ukraine, read this.)

 


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/ukraine-russia-explainer

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NDPP

RT Interview with Brian Becker: 'US, EU Staged Classic Regime Change in Ukraine'

http://www.4thmedia.org/2014/03/06/us-eu-staged-classic-regime-change-in...

"The following interview of ANSWER Coalition National Coordinator Brian Becker was conducted by RT. The EU and US have carried out a classic coup d'etat in Ukraine using ultra-right forces as human material, anti-war activist Brian Becker told RT.

And cementing that victory with an IMF aid package would place Ukraine on a Greek path into Europe."

 

Veterans Today Was Right - Kiev Shootings a Psyops Provocation  -  by Jim W Dean

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/05/veterans-today-was-right-kiev-sh...

"Our own analysis of the earlier triple angle videos of the shootings showed advancing unarmed demonstrators being shot from behind from 180 degrees, and also from a side behind angle of about 35 degrees from buildings across the street they occupied.

The angle was low, so the shooters were not up high, so they could exit their position quickly. A third party shooting both sides of a conflict to stimulate general fire is a classic Intel psyops, and nothing like that happens spontaneously.

In this case, some of the fire is short bursts from automatic weapons. You can see the bullets impacting the trees, actually going over the heads of the demonstrators..."

NorthReport

PM rejects Crimea referendum, vows to defend country

EU leaders hold emergency summit looking for ways to pressure Russia

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-crisis-pm-rejects-crimea-referendum...

iyraste1313

Hmm!
So the catalyst which launched the fascist coup in Kyiv was a paid mercenary group associated with the Right Sector ans Svoboda.

And the Russin Duma is prepared to launch an investigation.

Hopefully the world will demand that such be an international investigation.

Who paid? Were in fact Mossad operatives critically involved?

So the world will know that the neo nazi governemnt in Ukraine, what`s left of it by the time you read this, launched their coup by the false flag of killing their own citizens, blaming it on the Party of the Regions Government.

And the Parties of Canada have given full support to this government?

Will they admit their mistakes? And if not! By international law does that make our political parties complicit?

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

NDPP wrote:

Bullshit. There has been no Russian 'invasion' of Ukraine. It is hardly Iraq or Afghanistan. Besides, as with Libya, Syria etc you always back the evil designs and strategems of your hegemonic homeland. I would think you'd be ashamed. I certainly am of my servile-idiotic country.  If I was a Crimean having to choose between the trojan horse Nato neo-nazis in Lviv and the tender mercies of the IMF - or Russia, I know who I'd be voting for. Looks like they'll soon have a chance to do so...

 

Crimean Parliament Votes to Join Russia, Hold Referendum in 10 Day on Ratifying

http://rt.com/news/crimea-referendum-status-ukraine-154/

Believe the stuff you post here all you want, believe Vladimir Putin all you want, just don't lie about me. I have been rather indifferent to this
situation aside from saying you can’t tell whom shot whom by bullet wounds and Russia has moved combat troops out into Crimea (Ukrainian territory by the way) and pretty much occupied it. I don’t believe everyone in the Ukraine is a NATO Nazi zombie like you obviously do and don’t aspire to every conspiracy you have about the CIA, whom by the way can only dream of having  the power you give them credit for…

If that pisses you off go fuck off and get over it.

I already know about the vote in Crimea and I’m glad for the people. I’m sure the majority will vote to leave Ukraine and move closer to Russia. Good for them and I wish them luck. 

 

NorthReport
josh

Interview with Russian expert Stephen Cohen of Princeton.

http://www.wnyc.org/story/geopolitics-crisis-ukraine/

6079_Smith_W

Re: Kissinger

Not bad for an old war criminal. It's unfortunate that no one is going to listen to what he has to say.

But then, he kind of alludes to that himself.

 

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

The hand-picked Yanqui puppet, PM-unelect Yastsenyuk,  in Kiev has been making the astonishing claim that there are Russian tanks powering into Ukraine. It's a complete fabrication. So, the MSM in "the West" are conveniently ... ignoring the claims. It makes their puppet look dumb. So they're covering for his bullshit. The fear-mongering of Yats is being censored or ignored by our "free" press.

 

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“The narrative has already been established: the Russians have invaded...they are occupying the east and the south of Ukraine. Now what they are trying to do is come up with some kind of substantiating facts in order to make it seem that this narrative is based on facts. But it is not; it is based on hearsay. It is based on rumors, falsified images, or images that are distorted or only partially true. How do you give a government that is constituted of Neo-liberal puppets and right-wing Nazis any kid of legitimacy,” Draitser added.

 

Comments from Political analyst Eric Draitser (RT quote)

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

The report of tanks is probably based on this picture taken by a Ukrainian women yesterday. But here's the kicker: those are not tanks (far from it); they are tracked self propelled artillery guns that would support/follow the infantry units Russia is using. Russia HAS NOT deployed tanks in the Ukraine as far as I can tell or research. So either the report is a deliberate fabrication or is from a person whom is clueless about military equipment calling theses vehicles tanks, you decide, I'll just give you the facts I have found. (How may of you would have called these tanks?)

By the way the Ukrainian army is not tank heavy so there would be no real reason for Russia to deploy heavy armor at this time. 

NDPP

Ukraine Through the Fog of the Presstitutes  - by Paul Craig Roberts

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/06/ukraine-through-the-fog-of-the-pr...

[RT'S Abby] Martin's denunciation of Russia for 'invading' Ukraine is based on Western propaganda that Russia sent 16,000 troops to occupy Crimea.

The fact of the matter is that those 16,000 troops have been in Crimea since the 1990s. Under the Russia-Ukraine agreement, Russia has the right to base 25,000 troops in Crimea.

Apparently, neither Abby Martin nor Glenn Greenwald, two intelligent and aware people, knew this fact. Washington's propaganda is so pervasive that two of our best reporters were victimized by it.

As I have written several times in my columns, Washington organized the coup in Ukraine in order to promote its world hegemony by capturing Ukraine for NATO and putting US missile bases on Russia's border in order to degrade Russia's nuclear deterrent and force Russia to accept Washington's hegemony.

Russia has done nothing but respond in a very low-key way to a major strategic threat orchestrated by Washington. It is not only Martin and Greenwald who have fallen under Washington's propaganda..."

 

Cannonfire: Ukraine - Did a Covert Op Ignite the Crisis? (and vid)

http://cannonfire.blogspot.ca

"We don't yet have hard proof that Yanukovich was famed. Frankly though, that seems to be the best way to bet.

Why would the neocons stoop to such odious trickery? Robert Parry has some answers..."

Cold War II

"I am persuaded that this crisis was ginned up. But why was it ginned up? What was it Gore Vidal used to say? 'When politicians tell you that the Russians are coming, hang onto your wallets..."

 

Pensions in Ukraine To Be Halved - Sequestration Draft

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-austerity-pensions-halved-174/

"The self-proclaimed government in Kiev is reportedly planning to cut pensions by 50 percent as part of unprecedented austerity measures to save Ukraine from default. With an empty treasury, reduction of payments might take place in March. According to the draft document obtained by Kommersant - Ukraine, social payments will be the first to be reduced."

Welcome to 'the West' Ukraine!

Webgear

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

The report of tanks is probably based on this picture taken by a Ukrainian women yesterday. But here's the kicker: those are not tanks (far from it); they are tracked self propelled artillery guns that would support/follow the infantry units Russia is using. Russia HAS NOT deployed tanks in the Ukraine as far as I can tell or research. So either the report is a deliberate fabrication or is from a person whom is clueless about military equipment calling theses vehicles tanks, you decide, I'll just give you the facts I have found. (How may of you would have called these tanks?)

By the way the Ukrainian army is not tank heavy so there would be no real reason for Russia to deploy heavy armor at this time. 

I am a bit rusty on my Russian armour identification however those appear to be 2S1 Self Propelled Artillery pieces likely from the 810th Independent Naval Infantry Brigadewhich has been based in the Ukraine for a number of years (since 2008).

Slumberjack

Webgear wrote:
I am a bit rusty on my Russian armour identification however those appear to be 2S1 Self Propelled Artillery pieces likely from the 810th Independent Naval Infantry Brigadewhich has been based in the Ukraine for a number of years (since 2008).

I wouldn't want to duel with an actual tank in one of those things.

NDPP

Or rusty Webgear on his Russian armour...Wink

Red Winnipeg

Much of the commentary here (while it doesn't explicitly support Russia's conduct, it doesn't exactly condemn it either) reminds me of: The enemy (Russia) of my enemy (America) is my friend.

Slumberjack

This accusation would only apply if support for Russia were openly stated, although people can generally be counted on to line up in accordance with their political values and loyalties.

NDPP

Yatsenyuk Dismisses Generals That Opposed Right Sector's Legal Status

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/722460

"On Wednesday, at a closed session of Ukraine's Defense ministry - military officials expressed sharp criticism over giving Right Sector militants the status of regular military units..."

 

Ukraine Far-Right Leader Demand's Govt Open Arsenals For Radical Groups (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/yarosh-ukraine-arsenal-right-450/

"The leader of the Ukrainian radical group Right Sector, Dmitry Yarosh has reportedly demanded the country's authorities open military arsenals for the group's fighters."

Breaking: Right Sector Neo-Nazi leader Yarosh to run for President of Ukraine...

6079_Smith_W

Slumberjack wrote:

This accusation would only apply if support for Russia were openly stated, although people can generally be counted on to line up in accordance with their political values and loyalties.

Well no, the accusation is just as fair; it just makes some people dance around and shift their big fluffy fans a bit more (as you correctly point out).

NDPP

Crimea Won't Work with 'Illegitimate' Kiev Govt - PM Aksyonov (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/crimea-prime-minister-interview-390/

"Upcoming referendum is Crimea's own decision to distance itself from the coup-appointed, illegitimate government in Kiev, Crimea's PM Sergey Aksyonov told RT. The Crimeans don't want a grop of 'radicals' to impose their will on the autonomous region."

 

Popular Uprising Looming in Eastern Ukraine (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/popular-uprising-eastern-ukraine-314/

"Early Thursday morning a special grop of the Security Service of Ukraine (SSU) that arrived from Kiev conducted a hit-and-run operation and arrested Pavel Gubarev on charges of an attempt of power seizure, exactly the same accusation used by the opposition leader against the self-proclaimed government in Kiev.."

6079_Smith_W
josh

In Moscow, a Crimean delegation led by Volodymyr Konstantynov, head of Crimea’s regional parliament, was applauded by Russian parliamentarians a day after Crimean lawmakers voted to join Russia and validate the decision in a referendum. Konstantynov said the autonomous republic will hold an “honest and transparent” referendum on its status in the presence of observers from Russia and other countries. Valentina Matviyenko, chairman of the Federation Council, the upper house of the Russian legislature, assured the delegation that Crimea has Russia’s support. “The Federation Council will support the Crimean parliament’s ruling on the referendum, and that ruling will be legitimate,” Matviyenko said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/crimea-solidifies-ties-with-r...

josh

There are about three hundred thousand Crimean Tatars on the peninsula, and although they constitute only fifteen per cent of its population they have great political significance. If they do not back the upcoming referendum, it will be far more difficult for the pro-Moscow government in Crimea to legitimize what is in effect a Russian annexation of the peninsula. This, Crimean Tatars told me, is precisely why pressure is growing for them to turn their back on Kiev. Over the past week, Moscow has sent a series of delegations to meet with the leaders of the Crimean Tatar community. On Wednesday, the President of Tatarstan, an autonomous Muslim republic in Russia, met with members of the representative body of Crimean Tatars, known as the Mejlis. Another member of his delegation, Ilshat Aminov—the head of Tatarstan’s state broadcaster—paid a visit on the same day to the journalists at a Crimean Tatar television channel, ATR, which has been openly supportive of the new government in Kiev.

. . . .

The delegates visiting from Russia have made many promises to the Crimean Tatars to solicit their political support: seats in the new government, financial assistance, official language rights, and rural-development programs. These offers resonate, particularly as the community feels that its plight has been largely ignored by the government in Kiev for the past quarter century. Many Crimean Tatars remain bitterly disappointed that Kiev has not delivered on its many promises to pass laws that would recognize victims of Stalin’s deportation or establish Crimean Tatar-language schools. “We are on a verge of losing our culture, our language, our identity,” Yunusov, the senior journalist, told me. And yet, like most of the Crimean Tatars I have interviewed, he believes that the community will be safer if the peninsula remains part of Ukraine. “For us, a European Ukraine is the only way of making sure that we survive as people,” he said. “We need European laws to protect our identity. After what happened in 1944, we can never trust the Russians.”

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/03/who-will-protect-...

6079_Smith_W

Yeah. I have no doubt it will be legitimate. Why would they need any voter fraud in a region that is 80% Russian, based on the military industry? Perhaps the EU wants to send over observers in the interests of the Tartars, or ethnic Ukrainians, or to not be seen as sitting on their hands, but is it going to change the outcome?

 

 

 

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Webgear wrote:

I am a bit rusty on my Russian armour identification however those appear to be 2S1 Self Propelled Artillery pieces likely from the 810th Independent Naval Infantry Brigadewhich has been based in the Ukraine for a number of years (since 2008).

 

You sir are a go at this station... Wink

 

cco

Interesting article. It refers to the Tatars as "the native Muslim residents of this peninsula".

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And so, as Crimea prepares for a referendum on its future, its native people are preparing for the worst.

Huh. I thought the Tatars were introduced to Crimea by the Mongol empire in the Middle Ages -- which would make them no more "native" than the Russians, and less so than the Greeks. (Which isn't to downplay what they suffered under Stalin.)

I like Harper saying he won't recognize any referendum held while Russian troops are in Crimea (though he certainly had no problem recognizing them in occupied Kosovo and Iraq), when he knows full well that if every last Russian soldier left tomorrow, the Ukrainian army would never allow any vote to be held -- and they've said as much.

Webgear

Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation

Interesting link people might find useful.

Slumberjack

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Slumberjack wrote:

This accusation would only apply if support for Russia were openly stated, although people can generally be counted on to line up in accordance with their political values and loyalties.

Well no, the accusation is just as fair; it just makes some people dance around and shift their big fluffy fans a bit more (as you correctly point out).

It implies that people place more trust to the Russian state than they do the one they're in, when all people are really trying to do is to keep track of the hypocrisy.

6079_Smith_W

Well what would you call an uncritical trust of Russian news reports and versions of events, and a refusal to recognize anything in western media that doesn't jive with our take on things?

And frankly, I consider the idea that the new government is simply the product of a western-backed neo-Nazi coup to be just that.

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Yes... let me prove a point->

Russia, Ukraine feud over sniper carnage 

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Ukrainian authorities are investigating the Feb. 18-20 bloodbath, and they have shifted their focus from ousted President Viktor Yanukovych's government to Vladimir Putin's Russia — pursuing the theory that the Kremlin was intent on sowing mayhem as a pretext for military incursion. Russia suggests that the snipers were organized by opposition leaders trying to whip up local and international outrage against the government.

 

The government's new health minister — a doctor who helped oversee medical treatment for casualties during the protests — told The Associated Press that the similarity of bullet wounds suffered by opposition victims and police indicates the shooters were trying to stoke tensions on both sides and spark even greater violence, with the goal of toppling Yanukovych.

"I think it wasn't just a part of the old regime that (plotted the provocation), but it was also the work of Russian special forces who served and maintained the ideology of the (old) regime," Health Minister Oleh Musiy said.

 

Putin has pushed the idea that the sniper shootings were ordered by opposition leaders, while Kremlin officials have pointed to a recording of a leaked phone call between Estonia's foreign minister and the European Union's foreign policy chief as evidence to back up that version. 

The reality is unless they actully catch one of the snipers we will never know for sure who did it and why. Till then it's all speculation and EVERYONE is supect.

 

 

6079_Smith_W

Actually what I assumed in #431 is not true.

I just saw an interview (tagesthemen.de) indicating that a referendum might not pass. Apparently only 40% of Crimeans supported unification with Russia last year, and there are some indications it might be much lower.

Some interesting footage of Ukrainian and Russian soldiers at a blockaded base in Simerfopol all trying to convince the news crew that nothing was any different than normal.

Also, while Obama is making phone calls to Putin, Yulia Tymoshenko is in Berlin today, and Vitali Klitschko is in Paris. And 60,000 people attended a rally today in Moscow in support of Crimea's Russian population.

NDPP

6079_Smith_W wrote:

 

And frankly, I consider the idea that the new government is simply the product of a western-backed neo-Nazi coup to be just that.

 

I knew you'd come around eventually Smith...

Perhaps you should consider this: For the reader seeking a wider understanding of the issues, having two opposing views isn't necessarily such a bad thing. So do your thing. I'll do mine and the more the merrier...

I am eagerly anticipating the ridiculous spectacle of Canada arguing for the sovereign right of self determination for Tatars, given our own sordid, genocidal past/present/future on indigenous sovereignty rights. I'm sure the Mohawks will be quite charmed..

Here's more on the Tatar question:

 

The Crimean Anti-Coup Move

http://www.tlaxcala-int.org/article.asp?reference=11578

"...The picture emerging from the above seems to show that Turkish intelligence helped with training Tatars in support of a local Crimea anti-Russian coup.

- Russian intelligence has thoroughly penetrated the coup plotters communications (see Nuland tape ) and knew what was coming.

- Russian aligned forces secured the Crimea and prevented infiltration of more Tatartic units from Turkey.

-On the Crimea, as well as in other Russian aligned areas in east Ukraine (Donetsk, Mykolaiv and Pnipropetrovsk), counter coups are establishing separate regions which will ask for Russian support and eventual incorporation into the Russian federation.

- If all this goes well for the Russians, the 'western' coup in Kiev will have resulted in the 'west' acquiring a bankrupt, dirt poor west Ukraine, while Russia will acquire the industry and resource rich east of Ukraine and will keep the Crimea as its strategic asset.

- In the context of the war on Syria, the coup in the Ukraine was a counterbalance to Russian support for Syria.

Unless the Crimea falls to coup forces that countermeasure will have failed..."

 

NDPP

'Hang Scum Later' - Ukraine Deputy Governor on Crimea Protests

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-dnepropetrovsk-crimea-protest-458/

"Kiev's newly appointed deputy head of South-eastern Ukraine has shared his recipe of how to calm protesters in Crimea opposing the self-proclaimed country's government: 'Give the scum promises, guarantees and then hang them.

'This scum should be given promises, guarantees, and any concessions...And hung. They should be hung later, Boris Filatov, a lawyer and businessman wrote on his Facebook page commenting on events in Crimea.

In his earlier controversial post, the businessman stated that Stepan Bandera , a Nazi collaborator and leader of Ukraine's Nationalist Organization was his hero.

One of the richest businessmen in the Dnepropetrovsk region, Filatov got his administrator seat on March 4, just several days after returning to Ukraine from Israel..."

6079_Smith_W

NDPP wrote:

I knew you'd come around eventually Smith...

Perhaps you should consider this: For the reader seeking a wider understanding of the issues, having two opposing views isn't necessarily such a bad thing. So do your thing. I'll do mine and the more the merrier...d..."

I have no idea what you're reading into my comments. Come around to what?

Ihave not tried to silence others' opinions and make personal attacks, and aside from correcting falsehoods, presenting those other perspectives, and pointing out where others are being badgered, I haven't interfered in anything you or anyone has said here at all. Your posts have pretty much dominated the place. So please don't try to turn this around.

Here's an interesting site: PR for the National Resistance. All the articles are well worth reading. 

http://euromaidanpr.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/ukraine-and-russia-share-a-...

And apparently it doesn't matter how one votes in the referendum; the answers are both "yes":

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/two-choices-in-crimean-referendu...

And from 2011, apparently more Ukrainians want unification than Russians do (contrary to the stories that they are all the same people). Neither wants it very much:

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/poll-ukrainians-support-unificat...

 

 

NDPP

Lavrov: Right Sector Radicals Call the Tune in Ukraine (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/lavrov-kiev-government-radicals-618/

"Lavrov believes the West are well aware of the role the nationalist group is playing in post-coup Ukraine. 'Our western partners, it seems to me, are quite well informed of what they [the radicals] represent, because they are frequent guests there [Kiev]. and among themselves they are sharing extremely alarming impressions. But I guess for political reasons, they try to conceal the facts in public.'

John Laughland of Paris-based Institute of Democracy and Cooperation, has warned of the dangers of underestimating the nationalist forces in Ukraine. 'Western media call far-right groups a minority, but it's a decisive minority,' he told RT."

 

The Ukrainian Pendulum

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/07/the-ukrainian-pendulum/

"...It is only the Russian presence which is described as an 'invasion' by the Western media, while the American one is hardly mentioned...Another three hundred Blackwater mercenaries landed Wednesday at Kiev airport.

The Kiev regime applied for NATO help and expressed its readiness to allow US missiles to be stationed in the Ukraine. Missiles in the Ukraine (as now stationed in Poland, also too close for Russian comfort) would probably cross Russia's red line. Retired Israeli intelligence chief Yaakov Kedmi , an expert on Russia, said that 'in my view the Russians just can't allow that, at any price, even if this means all out war."

6079_Smith_W

It's unfortunate the Russian Foreign Minister would make a statement like that on the same day his deputy met with the Ukrainian Ambassador for the first talks since this most recent crisis.

Why even have a meeting described as "cordial" with signs of hope and a willingness to negotiate, if it is going to be undone with these kinds of smears and pressure tactics?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/ukraines-ambassador-in-moscow-...

 

NDPP

RT Doc: Great Expectations - Crimeans Await Fateful Referendum (and vid)

http://youtu.be/HPa_Rj0xDAY

 

RT: Propaganda Watch - False Claims and Ukrainian Issues (and vid)

http://youtu.be/gGo3vuXbrq8

http://youtu.be/J0E55DzZwDk

 

The Fascist Danger in Ukraine  -  by Julie Hyland

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/03/06/pers-m06.html

"A politically sinister propaganda offensive is underway in the media to either deny the involvement of fascists in the US-backed coup in Ukraine or present their role as a marginal and insignficant detail.

This is an obscene cover-up.

The reality is that, for the first time since 1945, an avowedly anti-Semitic, pro-Nazi party controls key levers of state power..."

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

NDPP wrote:

"...It is only the Russian presence which is described as an 'invasion' by the Western media, while the American one is hardly mentioned...Another three hundred Blackwater mercenaries landed Wednesday at Kiev airport.

The Kiev regime applied for NATO help and expressed its readiness to allow US missiles to be stationed in the Ukraine. Missiles in the Ukraine (as now stationed in Poland, also too close for Russian comfort) would probably cross Russia's red line. Retired Israeli intelligence chief Yaakov Kedmi , an expert on Russia, said that 'in my view the Russians just can't allow that, at any price, even if this means all out war."

Funny how he forgot to mention these guys...

Quote:
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told Secretary of State John Kerry over the phone Friday that no Russian military or marines have been deployed outside of the base of the Black Sea Fleet, which is anchored nearby, officials in both governments said.

Lavrov was technically telling the truth, but the troops are being directed by the Russian government. Although not confirmed, informed sources in Moscow are telling their American interlocutors that the troops belong to Vnevedomstvenaya Okhrana, the private security contracting bureau inside the Russian interior ministry that hires mercenaries to protect Russian Navy installations and assets in Crimea. Other diplomatic sources said that the troops at the airport were paramilitary troops but not specifically belonging to Vnevedomstvenaya Okhrana.

 

 

josh

A privatized war? That should make the U.S. and large parts of the western power structure quite pleased.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Not just the USA and the West; Russian security firms are well represented and entrenched in the "mercenary" trade thorough out the world. Where do you think all the retired Russian Special Forces guys go when they retire; to Siberia to raise Arctic Snow Chickens at the collective Retied Specal Forces Home? 

NDPP

Ukraine Turmoil: LIVE UPDATES
http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/

 

CrossTalk: Intriguing Ukraine (and vid)

http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/new-leak-situation-ukraine-350/

"How does the new leak change the situation? Does Crimea have a right to self-determination? And what sanctions can be expected from the West? CrossTalking with Alexander Kekrassov, Brian Becker and Manuel Ochsreiter. (MUST WATCH)

 

The Indoctrinated West  -  by Andre Vltchek

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/07/the-indoctrinated-west/

"...After working in some one hundred and fifty countries, in all the continents, I have finally come to the absolutely clear conclusion: there is no part of the world as brainwashed, so programmed, so indoctrinated as are both Europe and North America.

I am honestly wondering...I am humbly asking:

'Are people in the West...are they pretending that they don't know what is happening in Syria, Venezuela, Thailand and now particularly in Ukraine? Or have they simply turned into a cynical assembly of brainwashed degenerates?"

both.

NDPP

NGO Documents Plan Ukraine War (and vid)

http://rt.com/shows/the-truthseeker/ukraine-war-ngo-documents-726/

"NGOs caught forging documents for war..."

 

'Democratization' and Anti-Semitism in Ukraine: When Neo-Nazi Symbols Become 'The New Normal'  -  by Julie Levesque

http://www.globalresearch.ca/democratization-and-anti-semitism-in-ukrain...

"The flags from France, the UK, Canada, as well as the one from the Ukrainian ultra-nationalist Svoboda Party hang beside two White Supremacist flags.

This 'hate-on-display' as the ADL puts it, adds to the evidence of the neo-Nazi elements in the Ukrainian political factions which ousted President Yanukovych. The western mainstream media can no longer casually dismiss them as Russian propaganda..."

 

George Galloway MP's Comment: EU Imposes Sanctions on Ukrainians (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/Program/353628.html

The EU has imposed an assets freeze on 18 Ukrainians accused of misusing state funds

NDPP

'Greater US Scheme to Encircle Russia' (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/03/09/353898/

"Press TV has interviewed Linh Dinh, an author and political analyst from Philadelphia, to discuss the situation in Ukraine..."

 

Blackwater Members in Ukraine's Donetsk (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/03/09/353918/blackwater-members-in-uk...

"The videos also show the men being chased by the residents with locals shouting at them..."

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