UK's Keir Starmer: Is He The Leader Labour Needs?

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NorthReport

The LDs appear to be picking up momentum

How big a risk are they to the Cons and Lab?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/european-elections-poll-brexit-party-yougov-lib-dems-labour-farage-a8918141.html

NorthReport
NorthReport

This latest polling continues to confirm the trend, the momentum, that the United Kingdom citizens wants to remain in the EC.  

Kantar’s research finds that remaining in the EU/ Revoking Article 50 remains the most popular outcome for the public, with over one in three saying this is their most favourable scenario (36%, +3 vs Apr). Leaving the European Union with ‘No Deal’ is the preferred outcome for two in ten Britons (22%, -2 vs Apr). One in ten (10%, -2 vs Apr) want to Leave the EU with Theresa May’s deal, and 13% want Britain to leave the EU but remain in the Single Market / Customs Union (-2 vs Apr). One in five (19%) are unsure.

Almost half of Britons are in favour of any final deal or agreement reached by the government being put to a public referendum (47%, -4 vs Apr). 29% of Leave voters and two thirds of Remain voters (68%) say they want any agreement to be put to a public vote.1 in 3 Britons (28%, -4 vs Apr) do not want any final deal put to a public vote and one in four say they do not know (25%, +8).

How would the public vote if a new referendum was held?

Leave 33% (-2 vs April 2019), Remain 42% (+1), Would Not Vote 16% (+1), Don’t Kno

https://uk.kantar.com/public-opinion/politics/2019/latest-brexit-barometer-labour-9-points-ahead-of-conservatives/

josh

By my math. 45% support some form of leaving, while 36% support revoking article 50.

NorthReport

Finally Brexit appears to be dead in the water and thank goodness for that. Getting rid of the Conservative government is the next step.

The Tories have forgotten their pro-EU voters. And they’ll pay for it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/20/middle-class-angst-threat-tory-party-brexit-conservatism

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/20/middle-class-angst-threat-tory-party-brexit-conservatism 

NorthReport

If I were Jeremy Corbyn I’d be praying for a Boris Johnson victory

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/19/jeremy-corbyn-boris-johnson-tory-party-leader

NorthReport

Only revoking Article 50 can save us from no-deal oblivion – a new Brexit referendum will have to wait

There simply isn’t time to to hold a public vote before we are due to leave in October

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/article-50-brexit-referendum-peoples-vote-chuka-umunna-a8921796.html

NorthReport

Racism rising since Brexit vote, nationwide study reveals

Seven in 10 people from ethnic minorities have experienced discrimination, up from 58%

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/20/racism-on-the-rise-since-brexit-vote-nationwide-study-reveals

NDPP

Fuck you Mr Mainstream...

The Black Opinion: Big Bro's Brexit Breakdown

https://youtu.be/kSoq1GKzaVE

"This has everything to do with political opportunism and denying the will of the populace that voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. It has been wrapped up as a divisive issue to alienate the public. Those who voted for Brexit have been continually smeared as racists, bigots, thick and unworldly..."

NorthReport

Now, now, never mind the personal attacks. It just shows the weaknesss of your position.

 

 

"Brexit: Not one coherent reason why it will be a good idea." 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFK9SU1nmtU

 

JKR

josh wrote:

By my math. 45% support some form of leaving, while 36% support revoking article 50.

By my math only 22% support a hard Brexit.

And also by my math, a the majority now favour “remain” over “leave” by 56% to 44%.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Even if the referendum were held and Article 50 revoked, there's no reason to think the EU would ALLOW the UK to stay in.  

It is absurdly petty to obsess on this one issue to the exclusion of all others.

JKR

I think this one issue is completely monopolizing politics in the UK and that will likely continue until this one issue is settled, which might need years of further negotiations between the UK and EU.

NorthReport

Hopefully there will be a second referendum and it will begin to put an end to this divisiveness between the UK's right-wing leadership and the rest of Europe. And of course Europe would allow the UK to rejoin.

How easily we forget the wars that Europe has experienced in the not too distant past. 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

NorthReport wrote:

Hopefully there will be a second referendum and it will begin to put an end to this divisiveness between the UK's right-wing leadership and the rest of Europe. And of course Europe would allow the UK to rejoin.

How easily we forget the wars that Europe has experienced in the not too distant past. 

All of us are against repeating that.  Preserving the EU status quo does nothing to prevent war-in fact, since the EU's austerity requirements and restrictions on nationalization have done nothing but increase poverty in Europe without giving the working- and kept-from-working poor of Europe any parties to vote for which would actually improve or even prevent further decline in their economic conditions, the EU is actually increasing the chances of war in Europe due to its stubborn, arrogant insistance on causing a perpetual increase in economic inequality and unemployment coupled with perpetual wage stagnation and perpetual cuts in unemployment, i.e., by insisting on imposing throughout Europe which led to the rise of the NSDAP(the Nazis)in Germany in the Twenties.

If ANYONE was proposing a real challenge to what the EU is imposing on its member states, if there was a real chance of a Europe-wide general strike against the EU austerity and privatization requirements, then a case for staying in the institution might be made.  As it is, there's a small amount of good in the EU, but the bad has come to outweigh it and none of the Remain forces in the UK are event trying to change that, as far as I can see.

 

NorthReport

Ken, I am going to respectfully disagree.

 

josh

NorthReport wrote:

Hopefully there will be a second referendum and it will begin to put an end to this divisiveness between the UK's right-wing leadership and the rest of Europe. And of course Europe would allow the UK to rejoin.

How easily we forget the wars that Europe has experienced in the not too distant past. 

What does that have to do with the neo-liberal, banker run EU.  And if you’ll look at your map, you’ll see that the UK is not in Europe.

NorthReport

Oh my goodness!

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Corbyn's natural position would likely be "Remain and Reform", but the right wing of his party doesn't want the EU reformed.  Nor do the LibDems.  Not sure if the Greens do, for that matter.  

And without radical reform of the EU, there's no possibility for a Labour government to govern on actual Labour values-which is the way the 150 or so anti-Corbyn obsessives in the PLP want it.  Those people have based their entire political careers on being the enemies of socialism and the left, on being the enemies of the peace movement and most of the unions, on being the enemies of the poor, as anyone who supports the Tory "benefit sanctions" policies would have to be called-and their entire future rests on making sure Labour can't win an election without deferring to their essentially Tory and militarist agenda.

That's why they are fixated on staying in the EU and preventing the EU from changing-they want the EU to be a permanent obstacle in the path of any challenge to the status quo.

They should all just cross over to the Tory bench and be done with it.  At heart, they are Ramsay MacDonald's "National Labour" from the Thirties.

josh

Corbyn’s natural position would be to leave.  

You can’t reform something whose whole raisin d’etre is to eliminate Keynesian economics and to restrict democratic intervention in the economy.

NorthReport

Corbyn's position should be, and I believe it is, to win the election. Because it is a wee bit easier to change things when you form the government as opposed to opposition. 

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