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Whew....no bouncer at the door an I just snuck in! [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] Just doin' the quick an polite thing in the intro's. HI !! everyone !! Have to say it's refreshing to find an intelligent forum....altho most of the posters seem way out of my league in education. But that's a good thing. Please try to use "big" words, as I'm attempting to keep my last two workin' brain cells from atrophying......it's an ongoing struggle.
Hi Tberri, and welcome. Yup, we are quite the intellectual elite here. Several of us have actually read a book, and we have one poster who subscribes to a weekly newspaper. Feel free to sign up for the left wing indoctrination boot camp, and we'll take care of those two pesky remaining brain cells for you. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]
Thanks Oldgoat !! The tiny sparking those two little cells was producing was pert annoying. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] but really, I spend my days working with pre-schoolers, so my vocabulary has devolved into "walking feet kids" an "use your words".The ever popular " go back an wash your hands" is a biggie too.LOL!!!
I can't help it....conversations with growed up concepts an big people words just drive me wild. Oh apparently my brain noticed I just may be libertarian....something the "left" aspires to!kinda like all men wishing they were Red-Green.....
Originally posted by Tberri:[b]The tiny sparking those two little cells was producing was pert annoying. [img]biggrin.gif" border="0[/img] but really, I spend my days working with pre-schoolers, so my vocabulary has devolved into "walking feet kids" an "use your words".The ever popular " go back an wash your hands" is a biggie too. LOL!!! I can't help it....conversations with growed up concepts an big people words just drive me wild. [b]Oh apparently my brain noticed I just may be libertarian....something the "left" aspires to![/b] kinda like all men wishing they were Red-Green.....[/b]
Wasn't Harper cast as a libertarian at one point when he sought the leadership of the Alliance party? Left and Libertarian...hmmmmm, they're the crowd calling for less government interaction in society. As for your two sparking cells, many of the forums here will provide you with endless hours of stimulation.
He may have been....being from the states all I know is he seemed OK then reality set in an has been pissing everyone off ever since.I more meant Libertarian US sense, where ya have the nerve to think for yourself. Oh yeah, closer to the Lib "take" on the constitution.
More like being a lefty, without all the drama an sobbing.
Sorry, I don't want to be hostile when you've just started here, but I don't understand how being a supporter of Libertarianism could be seen as being a lefty, without the sobbing.
[url=http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml][b][i]THIS[/b][/i][/url] is a link ot the Party's platform, which includes these phrase:
All publicly owned infrastructures including dams and parks shall be returned to private ownership and all taxing authority for such public improvements shall sunset. Property related services shall be supplied by private markets and paid for by user fees, and regulation of property shall be limited to that which secures the rights of individuals.
...We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, regulating or requiring the ownership, manufacture, transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition. We oppose all laws requiring registration of firearms or ammunition. We support repeal of all gun control laws. We demand the immediate abolition of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco
....We believe that all individuals have the right to dispose of the fruits of their labor as they see fit and that government has no right to take such wealth. We oppose government-enforced charity such as welfare programs and subsidies
I think Tberri and Trippie should get into a dialogue.
[ 15 June 2007: Message edited by: Sven ]
LOL !!!That's OK Phonz.....Maybe I need to actually find the appropriate label, before someone just smacks me.I was thinking, in describing libertatian, somewhat along the lines of democrat ideology without all the mistakes...plus somehow Pete Seeger kept coming to mind...so what you got was a " no I'm not red, yet I'm not a democrat anymore...hm-m-m doesn't that make me a libertarian?" sort of?Hence...the tendency for politically educated folks to smack me.Grin....
without looking it up.....oops! my bad.However....to my credit, I'm a Edward Abby fan from way back. Plus Seeger...so I think this puts me in a grey area as far as politics.
Did this clear things up? [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img]
Tberri, I see where you're coming from. I always score way left and way libertarian on the political compass. [img]smile.gif" border="0[/img] There are such things as left-wing libertarians.
There are left wing libertarians. A wonderful woman I know who lives in Austin (sweet as can be) is a lefty libertarian. Although I doubt she'd call us lefties whiners. Now take that back [img]tongue.gif" border="0[/img] or I'm telling on you.
I never use the term left-libertarian because I believe the two elements are incompatible.
I think libertarians dislike the state as a central principle of their philosophy. Generally, leftists take the opposite stance, because they support state programmes directed at enhancing equality, such as welfare, unemployment insurance, and state provided medical care.
Libertarians dislike the state because they do not want any interference in the present distribution of wealth. A weak state allows for agglomerations of private wealth and power to operate in a relatively unopposed manner. That's whty Conrad Black is a libertarian.
It is better, i think to speak of being a "civil libertarian" if you oppose the arbitrary use of state power in matters of fundamental justice such as criminal law, immigration, etc.
Where the physical liberty of the subject is at stake, state power needs to be tightly reined. This is much less true when speaking of "the right to invest" or "the right to run my business as I see fit."