Sun TV News: Origins and Resultant Expectation

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Sun TV News: Origins and Resultant Expectation
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The news media has a civic responsibility to hold politicians and industry accountable – to expose exploitation, unethical behaviour and dealings, and ambiguous ethics – and this can only be done by ensuring the citizenry is well-informed. If the people are unaware of what is happening, injustices cannot be known; they cannot be stopped or prevented; they cannot be fought.

A darkness veils a community in which a responsible media presence is wanting. News outlets are a source of light, of illumination, but only when they function in the interest of the people. The landscape now is dark and will only darken further with an influx of 24-hour news channels that follow a news/opinion format.

A program that features a host whose opinions are not only known but celebrated and continually presented and constantly defended is surely one of entertainment and in no form is it news, and to have such programming on what is labeled an ‘all-news channel’ is disastrous in how harmful it is to democracy. Such programming commonly and readily supports a narrative, an agenda, and news stories can be selected or highlighted in a way to coincide with hosts’ views (and the network owner’s views) so as to blur news and opinion, and when the lines have been sufficiently blurred, a narrative truly takes hold of viewers. Viewers’ opinions are not independently derived; rather, they are either reinforced – namely by pandering and concealing pertinent data – or provided, given, or implanted.

News outlets’ responsibility is to provide, as objectively as possible, as much reliable information as possible for viewers’ opinions to be formed independently through logical analysis of facts. Laziness is perpetuated by the myth that opinion-hosts matter, and people depend more and more on those who are supposedly news experts (due mostly to their affiliation with an all-news network) because it is their job to comment on political issues. Their position suggests insight, but opinion programming has no responsibility to be insightful or informative or factual. Their purpose is to get high ratings, to be entertaining.

The news/opinion programming format has devastated U.S. politics, and I fear Canada will follow.

Doug
KeyStone

Yeah,

Some programs are down to 4000 viewers

You can only imagine how low its numbers will be, after the election.

milo204

and most of the viewers are lefties trying to see what they other side is preaching.

2dawall

Is any major brand name advertising on it?

2dawall

Uh oops now I see the other thread. I attempted to edit this out but it would not let me blank it. So sorry.

 

2dawall wrote:

Is any major brand name advertising on it?

Doug
2dawall

I think the local access channel in Winnipeg gets more viewers for replays of high school football games.

DaveW

a friend of mine, whose work connects him to the Sun channel against his will, calls it the cranky old white guy channel, but notes that this demographic has recently given Sun newspapers quite a boost in readership, after years of relative decline;

so nothing is settled  yet, although the intial quality is really bad, and the TV critic at the Globe raked them for a head-butt of an interview they held with dancer Margie Gillis:

John Doyle: Television
Sun News Network - Canada's new comedy central TV

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/television/john-doyle/sun-news-network-canadas-new-comedy-central-tv/article2052345/

 

 

 

milo204

yeah, and that piece charles adler did on the lingerie football league (no really, that was a topic on his show!) was such a great example of "straight news, hard talk" that they've been preaching....

really dealing with the issue that are "important to canadians", eh?  gimme a break!

2dawall

Well not having seen it (and not really inclined to search for it and watch it) I would take a quess and say that it was at least the least pro-Tory, pro-Chamber of Commerce piece they have done so far.

That Adler is so horrible; he is on that way even when there is no microphone. A cousin of mine had a bizarre experience 13 years ago whereby for 3 months straight, every time he went to a restaurant, Adler was at the same place. Everytime he would go off on some topic he would project his voice as if he wanted everyone else in the room to listen to him. My cousin lost his appetite for eating out literally.

milo204 wrote:

yeah, and that piece charles adler did on the lingerie football league (no really, that was a topic on his show!) was such a great example of "straight news, hard talk" that they've been preaching....

really dealing with the issue that are "important to canadians", eh?  gimme a break!

milo204

the most hilarious adler bit is still when he had the CEO of Rona on right before the election and adler was trying to say "we have to cut corporate taxes or the economy will suffer" and you could tell he figured a CEO would be a shoo-in for a pro tax cut point of view.

except the Rona guy insisted a tax cut isn't a major factor in how he runs his business...Adler tried to rephrase several times and eventually resorted to trying to get him to just agree with SOMETHING along those lines, trying to put words in his mouth "..but would you at least agree that if taxes aren't reduced you will HAVE to lay off some of your workers or reduce their wages??"

in the end it was so obvious he went into the interview with an agenda it was ridiculous...

Kanada2America

I think they are going to fail eventually or morph into something else because these folks miscalculated the appetite for the drivel they spew at Canadians. I mean how could they hire a bunch of ex-beauty queen types who parade around in sleeveless tight-fitting dresses and expect anyone to take them seriously?

And then there are the two frat-boy twins, Levant and Caldwell. Yikes! The day I watched Levant in a karate outfit bouncing around on the set was the day I knew these guys had lost their minds for starting up this cheesy faux channel. I mean I work in the biz and I can tell you the production people must have been falling out their chairs laughing at this clown.

6079_Smith_W
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That interview was a disgrace.

Papal Bull

It makes RT look super polished by comparison.

Tommy_Paine

As I mentioned in another thread, complaining to broadcast standards council is what Sun T.V. really wants, I think.  They've been wanting to have something to point to where they can brag that they tell the "truth".   The best advocate with Sun T.V. would be an irate or nervous advertiser.

Something struck me the other day.  It would be interesting to see what the exact CRTC mandate of Sun T.V. is.  If it's news, then it wouldn't be hard to put them in violation of their mandate, as there's no news, just opinion.

Kanada2America

Never let any of these guys close to you. Sun media types are a**holes. In  every way and everyday. Yet they've got my ENG supervisor quacking in his boots. He thinks they're it. Don't bother with crtc. They're bought and paid for. Thank god I don't have to be around them where I am.

These guys are pushy arrogant, entitled a**holes. They're driving around Calgary and Edmonton in brand new minivans with scanners and cameras. But they don't know anything! They're just projecting image.

They'll push a guy like me out of the way just to get the story. They line up right along side you and bang their tripod against you and tell you, stop moving around and get out of the way. Welcome to Calgary.

No. They will fail because they're strictly what we used to call, "community cable hour", with a nasty twist. You can barely stand them being around you. About the only guy who really stands out is Rick Bell. At least he's trying.

2dawall

So many complaints were made about that dancer interviewer. The Sun spokesperson said it was a well-organized campaign but I never even heard about it until I came here. Hrmph

deb93

SunComical Network may not need any 'organized campaigns' against it as it seems to be its own worst enemy. :-]

Kanada2America

Exactly. Sun will basically implode. Everything about their operation is a joke but someone in the Quebecor royalty thinks that Canadians are getting stupid. So they want to beat everyone else down to the bottom.

I mean having beauty queens as your hosts is troubling. Worse. Having non-white beauty queens as your "ethnic" element is even worse. Pandering to the lowest common denominator of ethnic stupidity.

But guess what? I live in Canada and that is now the new normal.

Even Bernard Shaw was a journalist when CNN started up. He was the real deal.

voice of the damned

Even Bernard Shaw was a journalist when CNN started up. He was the real deal.

Heh. When I first read that, I thought you were talking about GEORGE Bernard Shaw, and figured you must have your dates a little off.

Though I just found out yesterday, from a Globe And Mail article, that GBS did in fact win an Oscar in 1938.

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deb93

Kanada2America wrote:

I mean how could they hire a bunch of ex-beauty queen types who parade around in sleeveless tight-fitting dresses and expect anyone to take them seriously?

With so much material for valid criticism, the way the women look and dress seems a bit ... irrelevant.

Kanada2America

Sigh. Some people are so militant in their feminism, they miss the point. Do you see the male anchors all buff and shiny wearing muscle shirts?

Yes voice of the damned. I do like Bernard Shaw. Sorry you want to see everything in msm as bad.

2dawall

Fox is like that too. Extremely short skirts, too tight tops considering that they have to sit in a hot studio for hours. Yet every network has this thing where the male bingo callers' heads are in the centre of the screen but a woman's chest is in the centre of their shots.

Kanada2America

I agree. The stupidity factor at Fox/Sun is relentless. My problem is that tv is a visual medium and so the back story is the one they're showing you with presentation, not the words. They're using distraction to hide the fact that a lot of self obsessed airheads can get on tv and really not tell you a whole lot.

The real sad part? I just saw a CBC weather girl dressed almost the same way. This is our public broadcaster using our tax dollars. They are so scared of what Sun is doing they're making changes on the fly and I doubt they know where they're going. I think this was the whole intent of Sun anyways. To rattle the big networks.

Kanada2America

So the summer campaign is on with Suntv and the Harper pr people. Everybody else talks about real news, these guys (yes they are guys, no ladies have opinions).

Everything is the fault of somebody else. I wonder about the timing of this "network's" attacks on its competition. Ratings season is the fall, not now. They remind me of a primitive version of Fox.

2dawall

Gee whiz; tonight Coren is on for two different slots - so much that I will be missing. He is filling in for Levant in addition to his own show. When will my tears dry?

howeird beale

Kanada2America wrote:

Sigh. Some people are so militant in their feminism, they miss the point.

Uhhh, this aint the forum to question a woman for pointing out that we should judge women by their minds not their looks.

Haing said that I do see your point. When everyone is dressed the same one starts to wonder whether its a coincidence or a uniform.

 

A much more egregious example is Gretchen Carlson on FOX in the States. Stewart went to town on her for acting like she didnt know what 'czar,' 'recession,' or 'ignoramus' meant, despite having: graduated cum laude from Stanford, studied at Oxford, and being an accomplished classical violinist.

So when she says "I'm just a mum trying to make sense of all this stuff" there's something insidious at play

Kanada2America

Uhhh, this aint the forum to question a woman for pointing out that we should judge women by their minds not their looks.

Haing said that I do see your point. When everyone is dressed the same one starts to wonder whether its a coincidence or a uniform.

 

What I meant to say was specific to Sun TV and yes, their "uniforms". If I had specifically insulted the feminist perspective, I'm sure it wouldn't have sat well with the moderator. Don't you think that many women of all stripes are offended by Sun TV and its obsession with dressing female hosts a certain way to appeal to the macho instincts of the male audience?

Anyway, as someone who knows a tiny little two-bit corner of the business - they (Sun TV) keep making a lot of key technical/ethical mistakes, so once the Canadian audience actually has to pay to watch this drivel, then we'll see what happens.