Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iran....Mali Next?

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Very nice, Fidel, sitting here in the imperial heartland, and identifying every single example of resistance to imperialism as being a CIA plot. Makes it a lot easier to justify invasion, no-fly zones, occupation, plunder. I know that's not your intent, but it certainly is the consequence of your crackpot conspiracy nonsense.



Unionist wrote:

Very nice, Fidel, sitting here in the imperial heartland, and identifying every single example of resistance to imperialism as being a CIA plot. Makes it a lot easier to justify invasion, no-fly zones, occupation, plunder. I know that's not your intent, but it certainly is the consequence of your crackpot conspiracy nonsense.

What youre saying does not follow. It makes no sense, and I can only hope that you understood that before posting out of frustration. You will, no doubt, try to tell me that I denigrate legitimate resistance movements around the world by suggesting that they are all so totally owned by the CIA as to make them illegimate. But that is not what I have actually said at any time.  I resent that false implication and non sequitur. Please don't tell me what you think I have said about the U.S.-led NATO and their right wing stay behind armies morphing into mercenaries, jobbers and hirelings for the vicious empire because apparently you have it backwards, wrongways and g-ways.

Yes we realize that there are no imperialists in your version of the world.

NATO has been a benevolent force for good in the land of make believe. And Gladio? Puh! Imperialists just aren't that evil in your world of denial.

You seem to be in denial about the fact that anyone can be bought whether they are white or non-white. Yes, even brown people can be corrupted and paid to do the imperialists dirty work. To think or imply that non-whites are incapable of being corrupted or enticed into becoming mercenaries for hire for anyone's ideological purposes is not just insanely racist, it's not how the real world works. I'm afraid your freedom fighters, the mujahideen and many of whom arenow in Karzai's government, enjoyed shopping in NYC for Gucci and other brands which most of us working class slobs could never afford.

I'm afraid the reality of it is not as simple as what you've led yourself to believe. The issues are not black and white as only a conservative minded person is able to see the world. See Berkeley study on what makes a political conservative.

The CIA was formed in 1947 along with the NSA and Joint Chiefs. That's real history.

And for God's sake don't post anything dumb until I get back.

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Thx Fidel I never quite understood before that Unionist was an arch conservative who supported the mujahedin and Karzai.  Just proves people have to pay close attention to really follow the nuances on this board.

Tell me are there any left wing people besides you on this board or is Unionist just the tip of the iceberg and this board is actually a gathering place for right wingers?


Harper Government's Position on Mali Marked by Confusion Says Liberal Defence Critic  -  by John McKay

"...General Vance was asked 'what is Canada's military goal?' He replied that it was to support France. The follow up question is 'what are France's goals?' It should be easy for a 21st century military to defeat a 7th century mentality, but it is not..."


War on Mali Will End in France's Humiliation (and vid)

"An analyst says France will be defeated in Mali and the French troops will leave the country in 'humiliation'."


kropotkin1951 wrote:

Thx Fidel I never quite understood before that Unionist was an arch conservative who supported the mujahedin and Karzai.  Just proves people have to pay close attention to really follow the nuances on this board.

Tell me are there any left wing people besides you on this board or is Unionist just the tip of the iceberg and this board is actually a gathering place for right wingers?

I think you and Unionist do a fine job of nuancing. Don't be so hard on yourselves.

Berkeley researchers suggest that 'conservative' can refer to either right or left. They are generally afraid of change, have issues with terror managment and ambiguity. They see the world in terms of black and white as in there are no grey areas of uncertainty. They believe what they believe.

Nothing is complicated. Your closets are tidy and all that. Now I'm not suggesting that 'conservatives' are borderline sociopaths or anything. It's just that their world is unsullied by the full range of human behaviours and, shall we say, nuances and world views held by the rest of us. Clear as an unmuddied lake, Fred? Clear as an azure sky in the deepest of summer?(Alex of A Clockwork Orange infamy)

Ahhem, now you don't actually have to read the article.

Presinit dubya to a news reporter wrote:
"Look, my job isn't to nuance."

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My closets aren't tidy how about yours?

Well Fidel your description is mostly the antithesis of who I am so and I suspect it would be the same for Unionist and most posters on this board so PLEASE just STFU about other people and talk issues instead of drivel about people you don't know.

I understand your pointy view of the world. Imperialism is a great evil that permeates everything everywhere and the NDP is the only known cure.  I can hardly wait for the New Jerusalem.

What position should the NDP take on this file.  Is the best thing to just mirror the Harper agenda?  At least that would show they have no ambiguity on issues of terror management.


Excuse me but I amn the one who was fed up with having the conversation turned toward me personally.

For the record, I am not the one defending the very imperialist organization, the CIA,  against "conspiracy theories." This is the same imperialist agency which forged ties with General Reinhard Gehlen and basically reconstructed Himmler's SS after the war to spy on our WW II allies, the Russians. That's right, I am one of several posters here who are in a way kind of miffed, to say the least, over that bit of shady cold war history and every other godamned dirty trick they've pulled around the world since then.

YOU TWO are the ones implying that the American CIA are not that evil. You two not I or me or even NDPP. So what do you have to say for yourselves besides chiding us for spreading gossip and vicious rumors concerning "the company" and NSA which, by the way, their purpose is to allegedly to spy on foreign militaries, which is a total lie since what they've actually been doing is spying on the lives of millions of Americans and especially so since their hirelings in the invisible army of dark matters orchestrated 9/11 all by their bad selves. Go on, we're listeninig. It's your dime, Mr Social Credit Democracy. How's that for ambiguity? And if you're uncertain, take all the time you need to hash it out between the two of you.


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Does that sufficiently answer your non question?

Here is a graphic view of the CIA that you should study closely to make sure it fits with your intimate and personal knowledge of the agency. It seems to be fairly accurate but since you are the expert with inside knowledge maybe you can tell me how close it is.


Good-good. And this one is really funny.  

Even funnier.

he he

Too funny

laugh aloud

And get a load of this...

Another Cold War Myth: The Fall of the Berlin Wall  Youll pee your pants

Yep those CIA spooks are real funneh guys.

You and U could always start a thread of your own. You could name it 'Friendly Imperialism' or even Meet the Friendly Dictators (Theyre Pretty decent guys, rilly)

kropotkin1951 wrote:

What position should the NDP take on this file.  Is the best thing to just mirror the Harper agenda?  At least that would show they have no ambiguity on issues of terror management.

And so if you and Unionist are correct in your dialectical hypothesis that says imperialists are not that evil, why are you in a rush to condemn the NDP for notstanding up to imperialists and their vicious toadies in Ottawa if 'conspiracy theories'(code for the unspeakable truth about imperialism) are non truths in stark contrast to what lapdog newz media says about 9/11 and every imperialist military attack and invasion since 9/11/01?

No rabbit hole conspiratorial theories here just a simple and straightforward question. And don't give us that, "This is KAOS vee don't vroom-vrooom around here' nonsense. We're wise to that one by now. ;-)

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If I understood what your post meant I could respond.  Oh well have a nice night and keep up the good fight.  It must be very lonely to be the only one that understands. 

When you find that post of mine where I state that imperialists are not evil please let us know. Given the dozen years I have been posting here I am sure you must be able to find one right?



And dont forget if you hear or read anything bad about the Gladio Gang Inc., it's all lies and "conspiracy" theory.

Ciao, bella.


Granatstein Slams

"Jack Granatstein, the old Cold War warrior whose monthly pro-war rants are dutifully reprinted in mainstream newspapers across the country, used his access to promote the Harper government's stronger military role for Canada in the civil war in Mali..."


More People in Mali Displaced by French Bombings (and vid)

"It remains unclear when the international community will re-focus attention to the plight of these helpless Malian refugees.."


US Poorly-Trained, Badly Equipped Malian Army (and vid)

"...Some observers say the battle in Mali is the next logical step in an ongoing French-led agenda that started in Libya to control Mali's unsecured resources. Now the US, Canada, Britain, Belgium, Germany and Denmark have all lined up with the French all under a total media blackout."


La France Au Mali: Reperer les Mediamensonges (and vid FR)

Michel Collon


Libya and Mali, Good 'Extremists' and Bad 'Extremists'  -  by Tony Cartalucci

"It's hard to contemplate the audacity of the Guardian in their feigning concern for the victims of extremism in Mali as 2 years ago they were cheering on almost identical extremists in the very same region..."


Eagle Watch #312: Canadian Uranium Shell Games

"...We found a connection between Canada's Cameco, the top dog in the uranium industry and a uranium exploration company in Niger where France has just moved in Special Operations units to protect its uranium interests there. No wonder they want backup from Canadian Forces..."


Weak Support in Poll for Sending Canadian Troops to Mali

"A new poll suggests most Canadians would oppose the deployment of combat troops to Mali to fight Islamist rebels. Fewer than one in five respondents to the Canadian Press-Harris/Decima survey favour sending troops to the landlocked African country to fight a violent insurgency.

Harris/Decima chairman Alan Gregg says the poll suggests many Canadians, weary after a decade of war in Afghanistan, aren't anxious to get involved in another conflict.."


AI: Serious Human Rights Breaches in Mali (and vid)

George Galloway MP's call-in magazine show on Press TV


Blasts and Street Violence Continue as Mali's City Following French Declaration (and vid)

"Blasts and street violence continue in Mali's largest northern town after Islamist insurgent raids. France has responded with an air-strike..."


'I Will Not Fight For Queen and Country'

"...These scoundrels currently hold the noble position of backing a military junta in Mali against insurgents that we decided to arm in Libya.

Before that they celebrated the Arab Spring whilst turning a blind eye to Saudi Arabian aggression in Bahrain.

Where weapons that we supplied were used by our Saudi allies to kill civilians engaged in non-violent protest. Their silence in this mattter shines a light on their complicity..."


Canada Extends Airlift Support For French Troops in Mali War

"Canada says it will continue to provide airlift support for French troops fighting in the war-torn West African nation of Mali.."


The War in Mali and AFRICOM's Agenda: Target China  -  by F William Engdahl

"The Mali operation is but the tip of a huge African iceberg..."


Mali: The War No One Wants to Talk About: Walkom

"...The news doesn't get much prominence. In the Star, it merited two paragraphs. But Canada has quietly extended its military support mission in Mali..Mali is the war no one wants to talk about..."


TAYLOR: Baird Inconsistent on Mali  -  by Scott Taylor

"We're not, at the drop of a hat going to get into another Afghanistan in that region,' Baird told the committee.

While everyone nodded knowingly and reporters sribbled that quote into their notebooks, no one thought to ask Baird what exactly he meant.

Since the outset of their mandate the Conservative government has maintained that the mission in Afghanistan is an unqalified success..."


West Wages War to Plunder Mali (and vid)

"Activist Alice Ukoko says Mali is the third largest gold producing country in the world, yet its people are amongst the poorer adn Western countries want to exploit this..."


There is No Effective Constituency for Africa in the United States

"The next chief of AFRICOM wants a 15-fold expansion in drones and their intelligence gathering. The full-court press against the continent has begun, with the US building the capabilities to militarily control all of Africa, in conjunction with its European allies and its African proxies..."


UNESCO Grants Peace Prize to Hollande Amid French-Led Mali War

"The UN Cultural agency UNESCO has granted a peace prize to the French president for his 'valuable contribution to peace and stability in Africa,' amid the French-led war in the African country of Mali.."

After Obama's Nobel peace prize, obviously anything goes. What a fiasco..

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War is Peace

What don't you understand about that totalitarian truism?


 "the right thing to do"...

Thomas Mulcair


French Forces Will Find No Way Out of Mali (and vid)

"An analyst says the Mali intervention will cost France dearly and so they look for an exit, but this would mean giving up the ground they have gained. Rebels in Mali are the same the French trained and supported in Libya."


Israel Plays Dirty in Troubled Africa

"Israeli commentators are making much of the 'diplomatic opportunity' afforded by France's military intervention in Mali. Israel has long been keen to establish a foothold in parts of Africa.."


NATO's 'Pandora's Box: W Africa Flooded With Libyan Weapons (and vid)

"An estimated 10,000 to 20,000 Libyan firearms have been trafficked to other African nations, the UN reported. Ousted ruler Muammar Gaddafi's uncontrolled arsenal is reportedly a major source of instability in Mali and the entire region. The Monday report on organized crime in W Africa focused on the 'flow of assault rifles from Libyan stocks to the rebels of Mali,' reporting that '2,000 Tuareg mercenaries recently returned from Libya carrying at least their own weapons.."


Democracy Canadian-Style; Liberating Libya And the Mali Adventure (part 1)  -  by Eric Walberg

" is wrong to think that this neocolonial policy of continuing to prop up the old colonial system, now via local elites, is some kind of terrible mistake. It is a calculated one...While it is the 'big guns' of the US, France, et al that initiate these invasions and/or arm the appropriate insurgents (not, in the above instances, all the victims are Muslims), Canada dutifully follows in their wake.."



Harper Says Canada Pondering Possible Contribution to Proposed UN Mali Mission

"Prime Minister Stephen Harper says he is consulting the cabinet and opposition parties on what Canada could contribute to a possible UN peacekeeping mission for Mali..."


And more imperialist conspiracy for those who believe that the oppressed people of the world have the upper hand on the American CIA and U.S.-led NATO Gladios.

Terror in Central Asia: NATO’s Great Game


In this age of manufactured terror, one of the most vital regions on the global chessboard is also an area that few in the West know anything about: Central Asia. This geostrategic and resource-rich area on the doorstep of China and Russia finds itself in the middle of an all out terror campaign. But, as key national intelligence whistleblowers are pointing out, these terrorists are working hand-in-glove with NATO. This is the GRTV Backgrounder on Global Research TV.

Ever since the staged false flag attacks of 9/11, the US government and its complicit corporate media have focused their attention on fighting the shadowy, all-pervasive, all-powerful, ill-defined and undefeatable “Al Qaeda” enemy that is supposedly menacing the US and its allies at home and abroad. The term “Al Qaeda” of course is merely a cipher for “excuse to invade.”

 As far as our in-house apologists for imperialism are concerned, there is no grand chess game. For them 9/11 truth is slander and lies to make imperialists look bad. 

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Anniversary of the Iraq war coming up. CNN tonight reporting:

- the Iraq war cost the USA more than $2trillion
- resulted in 134,000 Iraqi civillians killed
- 4,000 US casaulties
- over the next 40 years, the cost for Iraqi war vets will exceed $6trillion.

And all because of faulty US intelligence and George Bush's constant belief that Iraq had WMD. Way to go, George!

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I hope Bush is arrested if he ever steps foot outside US soil, and charged with war crimes. Now we have Obama playing with drones and kiling more innocents. Isn't that the definition of "terrorist"?


Bush did set foot outside US soil. He came to Canada. And although our law says that a 'credibly suspected' war criminal such as Bush (or the resident Israeli Defence Attache Brig Gen Eden Attias, who as CO of Nevatin IAFB participated in 'Cast Lead' and Mavi Marmara) is to be either prevented entry or held pending investigation and trial, our politicians did nothing. Splitting the Sky, who recently passed away, attempted a citizen's arrest in Calgary. Too bad you seem to have missed it.


Canadian Among Suspected Terrorists Killed in Deadly Algerian Gas Plant Standoff: RCMP  -  by Stewart Bell

"The RCMP said Monday it had identified 'Canadian human remains' in Algeria. Police would not elaborate, or say how many bodies they are referring to, but officials said the remains were linked to the recent attack.

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Yeah, I remember that attempted arrest of Bush, but Canada is the one place unwilling to back up any attempt to arrest Bush. Let Bush fly to another country that isn't such an American bootlicker, and see what happens.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture important update on iraq.

Dahr Jamail Returns to Iraq to Find Rampant Torture and a Failed State Living in "Utter Devastation" (both video and transcript)

Investigative journalist Dahr Jamail reported for Democracy Now! throughout the early stages of the U.S. invasion of Iraq 10 years ago. Now with Al Jazeera, Jamail has just returned from Iraq once again, finding what he calls a "failed state" living in "utter devastation." In part one of our interview, Jamail discusses the harrowing security situation for Iraqis living in fear of bombings, executions and kidnappings, the widespread torture in Iraq’s prisons, and the breakdown of security in what he calls a "lawless state." Jamail is the author of "Beyond the Green Zone: Dispatches from an Unembedded Journalist in Occupied Iraq" and "The Will to Resist: Soldiers Who Refuse to Fight in Iraq and Afghanistan." [includes rush transcript]...

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..incredible doc. it's presented in part on today's democracy now. it would not have been possible without bradley manning and wikileaks.

James Steele: America's mystery man in Iraq - Full Documentary

Iraq war: 10 years on

A 15-month investigation by the Guardian and BBC Arabic reveals how retired US colonel James Steele, a veteran of American proxy wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua, played a key role in training and overseeing US-funded special police commandos who ran a network of torture centres in Iraq. Another special forces veteran, Colonel James Coffman, worked with Steele and reported directly to General David Petraeus, who had been sent into Iraq to organise the Iraqi security services


epaulo13 wrote:


James Steele: America's mystery man in Iraq - Full Documentary

Iraq war: 10 years on


And then there's Canada's 'mystery man in Iraq'...

Canada's 'Fiercely Proud' Lt Gen Devlin in Iraq 2006-08

'It is an honour to be serving with the Coaltion Forces in Iraq and I am fiercely proud to be wearing a Canadian flag.'

Most Canadians are certainly proud - though it is not known how 'fiercely' - of the prevailing political fairy tail that Canada refused to take any part in the US-led war against Iraq. It is, however, not certain where the general public would direct their 'fierceness' if they knew that the current chief of Canada's army had not only commanded troops in the Iraq War but had actually received a US medal for his role in helping lead that war."




[url=SYRIA:"> US-NATO Backed Al Qaeda Terrorists Armed with WMDs. Chemical Weapons against the Syrian People[/url]


Libya’s WMD’s are in Terrorist Hands

Libya’s arsenal had fallen into the hands of sectarian extremists with NATO assistance in 2011 during the culmination of efforts to overthrow the North African nation . Since then, Libya’s militants led by commanders of Al Qaeda’s Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) have armed sectarian extremists across the Arab World, from as far West as Mali, to as far East as Syria.

In addition to small arms, heavier weapons are also making their way through this extensive network. The Washington Post in their article, “Libyan missiles on the loose,” reported:

“Two former CIA counterterrorism officers told me last week that technicians recently refurbished 800 of these man-portable air-defense systems (known as MANPADS) — some for an African jihadist group called Boko Haram that is often seen as an ally of al-Qaeda — for possible use against commercial jets flying into Niger, Chad and perhaps Nigeria.”

While undoubtedly these weapons are also headed to Niger, Chad, and perhaps Nigeria, they are veritably headed to Syria. Libyan LIFG terrorists are confirmed to be flooding into Syria from Libya. In November 2011, the Telegraph in their article, “Leading Libyan Islamist met Free Syrian Army opposition group,” would report:

Abdulhakim Belhadj, head of the Tripoli Military Council and the former leader of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, “met with Free Syrian Army leaders in Istanbul and on the border with Turkey,” said a military official working with Mr Belhadj. “Mustafa Abdul Jalil (the interim Libyan president) sent him there.”


Liquid gladio.


France and Mali: Hollande's Bush Moment

"...Now in mid April, 4,600 French troops are still in the country, supported by about 6,000 soldiers from several African states.

Yet the situation is still tense. Islamists who had faded into the villages and rugged mountains are still capable of deadly hit-and-run attacks. And the ethnic Tuaregs in the North, who began the rebellion, are still demanding autonomy or independence.

Meanwhile the Mali adventure is costing France, whose budget is already in disarray - close to three million Euros a day - probably much more. By this summer the cost will probably have risen to at least half a billion Euros...and counting."


Mali Under Occupation  -  by Roger Annis

"France's parliament votes to extend combat mission while UN Security Council readies a policing force.

Ottawa Citizen columnist David Pugliese asked if Canada was abandoning its French ally. But Rear Admiral Peter Ellis replied to the newspaper, 'While assistance is no longer required by France on a continuous basis, Canada remains committed to supplying our allies and will still transport French equipment and troops to Mali when needed."


Very nice, Fidel, sitting here in the imperial heartland, and identifying every single example of resistance to imperialism as being a CIA plot. Makes it a lot easier to justify invasion, no-fly zones, occupation, plunder. I know that's not your intent, but it certainly is the consequence of your crackpot conspiracy nonsense.

Yes I imagine there are crackpots posting on babble. And we can be sure that none of them are Nobel laureates. Laughing

[url=Report"> on Syria – Nobel Peace Laureate Mairead Maguire: “The Syrian State is Under a Proxy War Led by Foreign Countries”[/url]

Bands of jihadists armed and financed from foreign countries invade Syria through Turkey, Jordan, and Lebanon porous frontiers in an effort to destabilize Syria. There are an estimated 50,000 foreign jihadist fighters terrorizing Syria.  Those death squads are destroying systematically the Syrian State infrastructures (Electricity, Oil, Gas and water plants, High Tension Pylons, hospitals, schools, public buildings, cultural heritage sites and even religious sanctuaries).

What kind of terrorists would target innocent women and children, government employees and infrastucture?


African Union Can Halt NATO Imperialism (and vid)

"This French intervention is sparking a resistance throughout West Africa as well as North Africa and France still has 3,800 troops inside of Mali..."


French President Awarded UNESCO Peace Prize for Mali War (and vid)

"French President Francois Hollande has been awarded the annual Felix Houphouet-Boigny Peace Prize by UNESCO for his decision to invade Mali..."

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War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery


France Celebrates Bastille Day as it Extends Colonial Occupation in Africa (and vid)

"Since the start of the decade, France has been involved in three wars. The latest was started this year in Mali. Civil society groups are  among the most vocal critics who believe the war in the west African nation of Mali has colonial overtones..."

No doubt Canada's 'loyal opposition' leader and French dual citizen Thomas Mulcair carried the concerns of the many Canadians who share these concerns of 'colonial overtones' to France's Socialist President Francois Hollande, during his recent junket there.


As War Lingers in Mali, Western Powers Target Its Natural Resources

"France's military incursion with Western support was described as a 'humanitarian intervention' which resulted in a race for Mali's resources. That was the plan after all.

A new press release by LEGEND GOLD of VANCOUVER, BC, CANADA states the intention of gold mine drilling in several regions of Mali.."