Senate passes bill with mandatory jail sentence for growing 5 pot plants

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Senate passes bill with mandatory jail sentence for growing 5 pot plants

Friday, November 26, 2010

Senate passes bill with mandatory jail sentence for growing 5 pot plants

By Janice Tibbetts
The Vancouver Sun

The Senate has backed away from a fight with the Conservative government and passed a controversial drug-sentencing bill that would automatically imprison people caught growing five or more marijuana plants.

One year after the upper house watered down proposed legislation by raising the bar to more than 200 plants, a new version of the bill is once again before the Senate and the chamber of sober second thought has decided that the previous amendment would never survive a final vote among MPs.

"It was irrational," conceded Liberal Sen. George Baker. "It wasn't going to fly with the Conservatives, and it wasn't going to fly with the Liberals."

A Senate-Commons tug-of-war over the bill -- to impose mandatory minimum sentences for drug crimes for the first time in Canada -- began more than a year ago, when the Liberals in the upper chamber enraged Justice Minister Rob Nicholson by altering his bill so that anyone caught with six to 200 pot plants would not go to jail.

 

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Papal Bull

Fuck prohibitionists. Fuck irrational drug policy.

 

Fuck our weak willed 'senate'

milo204

they make it sound like its either 5 or 200 plants. 

it is insane i've yet to hear someone say "what about 20/40/60 plants?"

as in 5 plants is obviously personal and 200 is probably for dealing so why not a reasonable personal amount like 20 or 30 plants?  

Stargazer

Fuck fuck fuck! I hate the Conservatives. Fucking bastards.

Just in time to fill up their super jails that will soon be for-profit. When the fuck are we going to get a real opposition and can this be overturned?

 

WTF? I'll never understand these bastards trying to turn us into the US. Fucking slimy fools.

 

Yeah, I'm fucking pissed!

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Stargazer wrote:
Just in time to fill up their super jails that will soon be for-profit.  

That's what it's about. And, conformity or jail - your choice.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Here's a senate that,with a CONSERVATIVE senator as the committee's president,concluded that prohibition doesn't work and that cannabis should not be decriminalized but LEGALIZED back in 2003....As they did in 1972 and 1979.

At the end of this huge inquest,costing Canadian tax payers millions of dollars,the senate's recommendation was thrown in the garbage...Amazingly,the senate played no part in passing this legislation.

The irony factor is huge...As I pointed out,PC senator Pierre Claude Nolin was the president of the committee that recommended that cannabis be legalized..Joe Clark was in favour of the recommendations made by a similar committee in 1979.

And here you have a senate that's been beefed up with conservative senators during the proroguation of Parliament by a party who wanted to abolish the senate before getting into power.

And,as it turns out,the original bill was too much for the Liberals as well.

This issue of prohibition should be decided by a REFERENDUM,an open public vote.

Some more irony...In 2003 when the Libs promised to come up with legislation to decriminalize possession for 30 grams or less,the Bush Administration brought out their prohibition czar and threatened the country withh sanctions and closing the border if Canada went through with the law that they were going to pass.

And on cue,the Liberals didn't call the U.S.'s bluff and turtled and all talk of decriminalization disappeared.

2 years ago,the state of Massachusetts passed the EXACT same policy Canada was going to implement (possession of 30 grams or less is now subject to a fine)...And they did that via referendum.

As it stands,with the exception of a few individual MP's from 2 or 3 (if you count the Greens) parties,there is NO party in Parliament that supports a common sense policy on drugs.

The law is over 80 years old....At this point,maybe sometime in 3541 cannabis will be legal----again.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Boom Boom wrote:

Stargazer wrote:
Just in time to fill up their super jails that will soon be for-profit.  

That's what it's about. And, conformity or jail - your choice.

... for profit. That is the main thing. Making money from Gulag labour shafted for petty crimes.

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

This is what we have to look forward to. This article dates back to 2001 and I'm sure conditions have only gotten worse since then.

US prison empire

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1887.html

thorin_bane

Sure because if we got rid of prohibition laws what would we do with all those cops? They would have to learn to do something other than thug violence and that is like trying to decommission an army. They will probably point to this as job creation while failing to realize its all taxpayer funded, prisons, cops, legal-you know wasteful government spending if it on healthcare or education...roads. Fucking harpocrites.

siamdave

NO need to be teeing off solely on the Cons here - the Libs would be no different, and the NDP is noticable more by its absence, when it should have legalisation of pot (and the decriminalisation of other drugs)  front and center on its campaign, if it was really trying to speak for sanity and the people of Canada.

remind remind's picture

It would seem the drug cartels have firm hold of the Conservatives, can't have any little people growing their own...cuts into profits don't cha know...

Unionist

Just for information:

Conservatives and Liberals voted unanimously in favour of the original Bill C-15 (when it passed the House). NDP and Bloc MPs voted unanimously against.

 

newshound

Ill people will end up behind bars because of this. Especially since Health Canada is setting on hundreds of MMAR applications. They routinely fall behind while sick people await their Doctor given scripts to be approved. This is madness.

 

NH

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

If I was a crime boss,I'd ALAWYS vote for the ' tough on crime' party.

Prohibition PROTECTS organized crime and mandatory minimums lets them beef up their profits.

Prohibition is a policy that is LAX and SOFT on crime...But tough on civil liberties.

It's clear that the Harperites had an emergency meeting with their core constituents in 2003 when cannabis was almost officially decriminalized and they made a promise that if they got elected,they'd make sure that this would NEVER happen.

As for the Liberals...I was listening to Ignatieff's openmike in Nova Scotia a cuple days ago and the topic of drugs came up and Iggy said he supports Insite and does not support mandatory minimums I thought he ws saying all the right stuff---on that subject (he lost me on the Afghanistan,Israel and the seal hunt issues)

But the Liberals supported this bill...They either have no balls or they are liars or both.

The NDP has backed away from this subject...Some NDP members and a couple of Liberal MP's WANT a common sense approach on drugs....Fact is,even some old school PC politicians are open to that.

But for the CPA,that would spell out a loss of jobs,funding and power and to the corporate powers,the prospect of an increase of cannabis use would render the populous more liberal and clearly that scares the hell out of them.

But as I pointed out in my previous post,this should be decided via a referendum AND/OR be a PROVINCIAL issue.

Evening Star

alan smithee wrote:

 

As it stands,with the exception of a few individual MP's from 2 or 3 (if you count the Greens) parties,there is NO party in Parliament that supports a common sense policy on drugs.

The NDP does advocate

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Decriminalizing marijuana possession with the goal of removing its production and distribution from the control of organized crime.

Read more: http://www.ndp.ca/vision/social-policy#ixzz16VQf8cie"



I thought the Grits did too, under Dion at least? I'm not sure why they'd back this bs now.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I read the NDP's social platform and there are so many great ideas.

Question is,why does the NDP not outline this for everyone to see....If this link was not provided,I'd have no idea about their social policy platform.

Instead Layton is spending money on commercial ads about heating homes.

Don't get me wrong,affordable energy is an important issue...But loudly outline ALL the issues for Canadians to see.

Show how well rounded and how coherent and comprehensive the party's platform actually is instead of sticking to one or two issues.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I think everyone should grow five pot plants in protest of this stupidity and see if the Cons stick us all in jail. Better yet, plant pot everywhere and make it  simply impossible to control.

Evening Star

I agree, actually. The NDP platform is actually very comprehensive, innovative, and practical imo. However, if you didn't look into it yourself, it is possible that you might not know it from their advertising, speeches, debate performances, and media coverage.

alan smithee wrote:

I read the NDP's social platform and there are so many great ideas.

Question is,why does the NDP not outline this for everyone to see....If this link was not provided,I'd have no idea about their social policy platform.

Instead Layton is spending money on commercial ads about heating homes.

Don't get me wrong,affordable energy is an important issue...But loudly outline ALL the issues for Canadians to see.

Show how well rounded and how coherent and comprehensive the party's platform actually is instead of sticking to one or two issues.

Evening Star

They may have the most thorough platform of the major parties.

Unionist

Boom Boom wrote:

I think everyone should grow five pot plants in protest of this stupidity and see if the Cons stick us all in jail. Better yet, plant pot everywhere and make it  simply impossible to control.

Laughing

I remember a time when I didn't plant it anywhere, but still found it impossible to control. So I was half-way there!

 

lombar2

Funny, after posting this topic my account got locked out of posting with no explanation. Anyone have any idea why?

 

 

Noah_Scape

remind wrote:

It would seem the drug cartels have firm hold of the Conservatives, can't have any little people growing their own...cuts into profits don't cha know...

  - I don't doubt it for a minute.

   As for the other conspiracy idea mentioned in this thread, that "the Cons are trying to fill up the privatised jails" - is there such a thing as privatised jails in CANADA??

 

 And as for "five plants is personal", I know people who grow pot for medicinal use, with permission from Ottawa. For people who grow outdoors pot, five plants is not allways enough to last all year, depending on how well things go in the growing season. Will they be busted and sent to jail too? Is there still "medicinal use exemptions"??

oldgoat

lombar2 wrote:

Funny, after posting this topic my account got locked out of posting with no explanation. Anyone have any idea why?

 

 

 

Lombar, your original account shows as active.  I'm not sure what the problem is.  Try again, and if there's still a problem let me know.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Are pot seeds widely available? Are they expensive? I'd love to plant some in the wild and see what happens.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

What I find that is just as deplorable is the Harperites anti-drug ad campaigns.

One features 10 year old kids talking in 'druggie lingo'...Alot of these terms are slang for cocaine,crack or other drugs mmixed with blow.

I'd like the Cons to show the REAL stats of prepubescent kids using cocaine or meth.

The ad insinuates that elementary schools face a problem with drug use and is directed to resonate with ignorant people who probably still check under their beds for commies.

A new ad I recently saw was so incredibly melodramatic and probably written and directed by a descendant of the mastermind behind the cult classic 'Reefer Madness'

It shows a young teen girl descending into insanity from using drugs...I believe there was a voice over saying 'you know where it will lead you'....Can the Cons kindly reveal exactly what kind of drug this person was supposedly doing....Or madness and suicide is just a run of the mill product of using drugs in general?

The punchline to this anti-drug campaign is that it's geared towards kids...And how much the Cons care for families and will go to no end to protect them.

I guess the Cons didn't get the memo that was sent out 40 years ago that prohibition keeps substances unregulated and in the hands of young people.

The anti-drug camp are keeping drugs available to kids--and easily accessible.

Or maybe that's the idea....

When our prisons become over populated and private and the police force and our court prosecutors are given quotas to arrest and convict MORE people to protect the business of punishment,crime will be corporately profitable and become a source of entertainment with the CBC and CTV featuring new reality shows like Canadian COPS,DEA Gladiators and Let's Make A Deal...To Jail.

Yep...We've got alot nice things to look forward to.

Fidel

alan smithee wrote:

As it stands,with the exception of a few individual MP's from 2 or 3 (if you count the Greens) parties,there is NO party in Parliament that supports a common sense policy on drugs.

">http://meganleslie.ndp.ca/node/2774]"We're really just beginning to understand how much we can do together," said Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty

The provincial Liberals seem to have come around to the NDP's policy on bulk buying of pharmaceutical drugs. Big Pharma wants its cake and to be able to eat it, too. It was Mulroney who agreed to hand big pharma 20 and 30 year-long extended patents on old drug discoveries. It was like handing them a licence to print money. And if Stephen Harper is still running things federally in 2014, we aren't going to have much of a health care system left.

Freshtracks

Boom Boom wrote:

Are pot seeds widely available? Are they expensive? I'd love to plant some in the wild and see what happens.

Not sure they're cheap enough to go dumping them in fields, ditches etc. I think Merc Emery missed the boat here - he could've got a real guerilla gardening movement going. That may have been a more effective way to 'overgrow the government'!

 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

When you mentioned Marc Emery, a lightbulb went on in my head. Doesn't he have a shop in Vancouver that sells pot seeds along with other stuff? Is it still open?

 

ETA: Google "Buying marijuana seeds from Canada" and you get a list of dealerships.

Unionist

Unionist, on Nov. 27, 2010 wrote:

Just for information:

Conservatives and Liberals voted unanimously in favour of the original Bill C-15 (when it passed the House). NDP and Bloc MPs voted unanimously against.

Another one bites the dust:

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario-judge-strikes-down-... judge strikes down mandatory minimum sentence for pot growing[/url]

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Unionist wrote:

Unionist, on Nov. 27, 2010 wrote:

Just for information:

Conservatives and Liberals voted unanimously in favour of the original Bill C-15 (when it passed the House). NDP and Bloc MPs voted unanimously against.

Another one bites the dust:

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario-judge-strikes-down-... judge strikes down mandatory minimum sentence for pot growing[/url]

 

I guess we'll have to rely on the courts,for now. Probably the only democratic entity left in Canada----for now.