Bloc gives Duceppe a landslide win

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Bloc gives Duceppe a landslide win

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Unionist

Nah, Boom Boom, this forum is fine!

But you'll notice that Duceppe's popularity has been slipping:

2005: 96.8%

2007: 95.4%

2011: 95.3%

At this rate, who knows where he'll end up...

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KenS

Expanding on U's comment: the discussion belongs here because the BQ is about quebec politcs. At least on the strategic level of politics, but also largely in terms of substance, the Bloc just happens to be a federal party and have a major effect on Canadian (national) parliamentary politics.

And speaking to where that intersection happens- any comments as to the Quebec politics of my musing below posted in the thread on Canadian election?

So here is the scoop on currently where BQ/PQ politics- the politics of Quebec and sovereignty (or not)- and the party dynamics of federal politics.

The leadership review of Marois will take place at Convention in April. If it was a stand alone leadership review they might have moved it away from a prospective election. But Convention wont be moved at this point. So Marois is in practice campaigning now for a vote that will take place during or just before the federal election.

Presuming he wants to be PQ leader, Duceppe would not be doing even quiet campaigning for that anyway. So being in the middle of an election does not change the formal optics. But there will be Duceppe, probably coming off again as the great campaigner... while Marois struggles to prove she can (maybe) do the same.

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Unionist wrote:

At this rate, who knows where he'll end up...

Laughing

 

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Bloc gives Duceppe a landslide win

 

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Duceppe received 95.3 per cent of the vote in a leadership test at a party convention Saturday in St-Hyacinthe, about 50 kilometres west of Montreal.

Duceppe, leader of the separatist party for 14 years, has never received less than 84 per cent of the vote.

 

(oops - after I created this thread, I realized it should have gone into a federal politics forum! my apologiesEmbarassed)

(for the record, I'd personally like to see this forum for Quebec provincial politics, while BQ discussions take place in federal threads)

Unionist

Pauline Marois seems to be warding off challenges from her "go further faster" sovereignist wing, including a recent one by the group of "50", under-30 independentists who have been opposing her "sovereignist governance" policy as not going far enough, as well as a move to commit to a referendum during a first PQ term:

[url=http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/politique/201102/12/01-43... Marois has the PQ well in hand[/url]

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... probably better than any of her predecessors.

Well, that's one opinion from Le Soleil, anyway. We'll see.

 

 

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Too bad Duceppe will never become PM of Canada.

He's probably the strongest leader of all the Parties and he comes across MUCH more honest than Harpeur and Iggy.

I think the BQ has never been stronger (even with Lucien Bouchard as leader).

I hope Duceppe doesn't make the leap to the PQ any time soon...He's the face of the BQ,I have no idea who'd be his successor but I'm afraid the BQ's stronghold in Quebec would be weakened without Duceppe.

haydukelives

Duceppe strikes me as the most skilled of the federal leaders. I think this is just because he has been around the longest, so he knows how to play the game. At the same time, he has had to be good at fending off usurpers.

ETA: Seeing as this forum takes the French spelling of Quebec, are we allowed to post in English Wink

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I don't quite follow why the "50" is in quotation marks.

As to Alana and HDL, I think the comparison of Duceppe with other federal party leaders across the board is a bit misleading.  While all other federal leaders have to consider conflicting regional interests, Duceppe faces virtually no problem on that score.  (I stop short of saying "no problem" because I suspect there's the odd time that Montreal souvreignistes and Saguenay souvreignistes may see things differently.) 

Also, there is nothing makes one appear more of a leader than actually being the leader. In that respect, Duceppe wins simply because of longevity.  But his longevity is based, not on expanding the Bloc, but merely holding what is mostly the souvreigniste base vote against an increasingly feckless, corrupt and unpopular Liberal Party.  It would be interesting to observe, over time, how well Duceppe could hold it together if the Conservatives can consolidate their Quebec presence and the New Democrats can expand their foothold.

KenS

OK, so there is at least one opinion that Marois shored up her position with the go further faster crowd. I'm skeptical. Appeasing them does not mean they will vote for her- especially when they have the alternative at hand, Duceppe.

And that isnt the only front on which Marois has problems from within the PQ. There is a lot of comparability to what we just observed with the BC NDP and Carole James. In both cases the opposition party faces a government with a very unpopular and long in tooth Premeir. And in both cases, a broad swath of party members feel their leader should have done a better job of capitalizing- should be running higher in polls, and there are fears the leader cannot pull off winning the next election.

In the BC NDP there was a lot of overlap between the people in the party who want more of what they are in the NDP for [comparable to the go farther faster crowd in the PQ].... and those who did not think James was a good enough leader to win government, let alone with any 'useful' policies.

Carole James was never going to do anything to please or appease those who want more social democratic policy. But if she had tried, given that the other genie about her capabilities was out of the bottle, gestures on the substantive front would not have saved her.

Granted, the culture within the PQ does not seem as driven to be strange as the BCNDP, so maybe the comparison has to be taken with a grain of salt. But there is at least a similar dynamic in the PQ: it is not just the substantive reasons Pequistes are not enthusiastic about her. And totally unlike the BC NDP, the alternative to Marois is a very known quantity.

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I don't want to give these guys more space than they deserve, which is why I'm not starting a new thread on them. But they were on P&P just now, and had a coming-out party yesterday.

Quebec political movement shelves sovereignty

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After months of feverish anticipation it was a low-key public launch Monday for the Coalition for Quebec's Future. There were few big names present, even fewer policy ideas, and no guarantee at all that the group will even become a political party.

 

 

So, are these guys the ADQ in new clothing? Cons? Neocons? Anyone know? Charles Sirois on CBC was very vague about his new group. I'd like to see what Marois or Duceppe have to say about them.

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Legault is just offering up Pepsi as a different alternative to Coke.

Basically this 'coalition' is nothing but an ADQ/PQ/PLQ hybrid party.

It becomes clearer and clearer that the ONLY real alternative in the National Assembly is the Quebec Solidaire Party.

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I don't think we had a QS candidate in this riding last time - I don't remember seeing them on the ballot, but my memory isn't that great.

Roscoe

Boom Boom wrote:

Unionist wrote:

At this rate, who knows where he'll end up...

Laughing

 Collecting his gold-plated pension, paid for by the schnooks he has been cocking a snook at for the past 14 years. Democracy, ya gotta love it, lol.

George Victor

Just like ya gotta dislike the bought and paid-for, Calgary School, anti-democratic libertarian.

George Victor

Roscoe was not joking, Boomer. There are people like that, you know.

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GV: I edited my comment just before you posted. Thanks for your response.

 

ETA: wasn't there someone in the HoC that wanted the BQ to submit to a 'loyalty test' or something? It was quite a few years ago I think.

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(edited) In response to Roscoe's comment, I'm curious:  are there people out there who think  Duceppe is in any way less entitled to his pension than any other MP after his years of service? 

 

 

ps to Roscoe: I edited my post because initially I thought you were taking a shot at the BQ, and now I realise you were joking. My apologies - I guess I'm over-sensitive to criticism of the BQ.

NorthReport

 

Bloc Quebecois Poaches Second NDP Candidate

 

 

http://www.punditsguide.ca/2011/02/bloc-quebecois-poaches-second-ndp-can...

Unionist

Boom Boom wrote:

 

ETA: wasn't there someone in the HoC that wanted the BQ to submit to a 'loyalty test' or something? It was quite a few years ago I think.

No, not years ago - it's Pat Martin of the NDP. He's a piece of shit. Sorry to be vulgar, but I can't think of a more insulting phrase or I'd use it.

 

Lord Palmerston

Pat Martin seems to have stolen the idea from the Reform Party

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UvGcyMNLyg

Unionist

Pat Martin has been pushing this McCarthyite "loyalty oath" for many years, and [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/pat-martin-predicts-fall-e... is still on the order of business[/url] of the House. He is also an avid member of the pro-Israel anti-Jewish CPCAA. Luckily, no one takes this shithead seriously.

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Son of a gun. I thought it was a Liberal.

Roscoe

Boom Boom wrote:

(edited) In response to Roscoe's comment, I'm curious:  are there people out there who think  Duceppe is in any way less entitled to his pension than any other MP after his years of service? 

 

 

ps to Roscoe: I edited my post because initially I thought you were taking a shot at the BQ, and now I realise you were joking. My apologies - I guess I'm over-sensitive to criticism of the BQ.

 

I'm not 'taking a shot at the BQ', I'm laughing at the sentiment that only those who agree with the dominant political philosophy of the day are entitled to the spoils of victory: the largesse awarded to the political class by...themselves.

I'm of two minds on this largesse. On the one hand, it appears obscene in perspective to how the political class has executed its responsibilities to the disadvantaged who are entirely in their care. The political class has totally failed in its duty of care to those who live in poverty but have no hesitation in budging to the front of the line to fill their own pockets...for life.

On the other hand, politics is such a murky business, enticements are required to persuade competent individuals to run for office. sadly, the gravy train also encourages the narcissists and sociopaths equally.

Duceppe and the BQ are part of the federal landscape in that they represent a political view of Canada as two separate entities. I can't say I disagree. If Queec wants to separate, so be it but my uninformed opinion is that it is only the pointy-headed elites, not the average Quebecois that says yes.

Roscoe

George Victor wrote:

Roscoe was not joking, Boomer. There are people like that, you know.

 

Why thank you, George, for not only offering everyone the benefit of your opinion but also fabricating mine. It must give you delight to be so omnipotent.

I shall have no worries about forming an opinion with you stalking my posts. Thanks again for your contributions to democracy.

Roscoe

Boom Boom wrote:

GV: I edited my comment just before you posted. Thanks for your response.

 

ETA: wasn't there someone in the HoC that wanted the BQ to submit to a 'loyalty test' or something? It was quite a few years ago I think.

And thank you, Boomer for asking George what I think.  Next time you wish my opinion, simply ask George. He would be a good fit in the PMO, don'tchathink?

George Victor

Penny for your thoughts about what mantle this fella has now assumed in his constant social and political transmogrification, Boomer -remember he began by admitting to two pen names on babble...(to reduce to his stage appeals). Laughing

MegB

George, as irresistible as it is to poke fun at individuals instead of the content of their comments, don't you think you've pissed off enough people for one week?  You're already on thin ice as it is.

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I'll take the responsibility for the thread drift - it was my comment in #15 that started all this, before I edited it out. Frown

MegB

Boom Boom wrote:

I'll take the responsibility for the thread drift - it was my comment in #15 that started all this, before I edited it out. Frown

You may have started the drift, but you're not responsible for the behavior of others.  Thanks all the same Boom Boom, your post is very much appreciated.

George Victor

Rebecca West wrote:

George, as irresistible as it is to poke fun at individuals instead of the content of their comments, don't you think you've pissed off enough people for one week?  You're already on thin ice as it is.

I will immediately leave the defence of babble to others who have more willpower and patience, Rebecca.  I did not know that I was still on thin ice.  I'll retreat to the book nook and see what invades over there.