Couillard government will limit access to abortion

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Couillard government will limit access to abortion

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"The devil is in the details", says Le Devoir, in revealing that one of the proposed regulations under the new Bill 20 (that's the law which will penalize family physicians if they don't see "enough" patients) will cap the number of abortions that an individual physician can perform, as well as downgrade the status of abortion from its current "priority medical activity". This will lead to the closure of clinics and increase of private care, says the head of the Women's Health Centre of Montréal - which obtained a draft copy of the regulation.

Haven't seen anything yet in the English-language media.

[url=http://www.ledevoir.com/societe/sante/435407/projet-de-loi-20-l-avorteme... Devoir (in French)[/url]

 

Left Turn Left Turn's picture

Suggest that this be moved to the feminist forum.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Wow.

This man truly is a right wing maniac.

Unionist

The details are even worse. Bill 20 forces family physicians to see more patients (or else be penalized 30% on all their billing). This regulation forces them to perform fewer abortions. And... if I understand all this correctly... abortions will no longer count to make up the new minimum hours of patient visits. So practitioners who currently perform abortions 2, 3, or 4 days per week will have to eke out extra hours in emergency rooms or elsewhere. Meanwhile, the additional work that most of them now perform (family planning, PAP tests, screening for STDs, etc.) is not recognized anywhere in the law - so if it continues to be done at all, it will have to be during the vanishing "spare" time.

Also: Because the law will be taking "attendance" at physicians' practices, the Women's Health Centre sees another risk: Rather than showing up at emerg or a walk-in clinic, family physicians will be under pressure to advise women to get an appointment at their office before being referred for an abortion (in order to keep their quotas up) - thus delaying, perhaps by weeks, essential and urgent procedures.

 

Slumberjack

Another outrage in the making.  The influence of religion wouldn't have anything to do with this would it?  Because if that is the case, then what is being considered in part by a lawmaking body in this society is a series of measures amounting to an accommodation to suit the dictates of specific branches of religion.

Unionist

Slumberjack wrote:

Another outrage in the making.  The influence of religion wouldn't have anything to do with this would it?  Because if that is the case, then what is being considered in part by a lawmaking body in this society is a series of measures amounting to an accommodation to suit the dictates of specific branches of religion.

I guess this is some kind of sick joke?

Abortion on demand started here, in glorious illegality. And no Québec jury would convict Morgentaler. Religions of any brand have less sway in Québec than anywhere else in Canada.

But I suppose I'm guilty of taking your sick joke seriously, so I apologize. Thanks for your support in our struggle against the attacks of the Liberal government. Much appreciated.

 

Slumberjack

It relates to the other thread about religious accommodation and the exceptions that gets brought in as acceptable for inclusion within the public discourse. If you consider the contents of this bill to be an attack on the right to access abortion services, which it appears to be, then my observation that the government appears to be considering a religious based accommodation in favour of a certain demographic, ie: the Churches who are against abortion, is not exactly the sick part of this discussion.  I was being serious.  It is another outrage in the making, but one being considered as valid by those who make the laws.  Is this being done out of the blue, and if not, what influences are being brought to bear in this bill.  Are Quebec politicians in fact coming up with ideas like this on their own without undue influence by religious persuasions?

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

This is an absolute disgrace.

Day by day, we slide into totalitarianism. Arresting demonstration organizers is reminiscent of the period when Hitler arrested the Communists before the Enabling Act.

Around the same time in Germany, the Catholic Centre Party had given Hitler their support in exchange for a Concordat with the Vatican, which he signed and honoured to his dying day. Anti-Abortion is the new virtual Concordat. Now, the Christians will not object when Couillard brings out the billyclubs.

Next up: suspension of civil liberties, and remilitarization.

Unionist

There is no visible anti-choice movement in Québec, for those who are ignorant of how things work here.

So, the outcry was so swift and loud, that the government is already beating a retreat - at least rhetorically:

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/ga%C3%A9tan-barrette-says-quebec-...étan Barrette says Quebec won't limit abortion access[/url]

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Health Minister Gaétan Barrette is denying a report he’s moving to limit abortions for women. [...]

He said potential quotas would only apply to new doctors entering the system. Doctors who currently have a practice in performing abortions and family planning will be exempt.

“There is no intention on our part to limit modify or do whatever to impede access to abortion in this province,” he said.

“As a matter of fact, things would improve with this bill.”

Still, advocates are worried.

Anne-Marie Messier, director of the community clinic Centre de santé des femmes, said doctors who perform abortions will have to spend more time doing other duties in hospitals if Bill 20 is put into law. 

"We have a very good system for abortion and contraception in Quebec," said Messier.  

"And why change all this? Really... we will have to go back."

 

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

The Catholic Church is a visible "anti-choice movement". The Campaign Life Coalition is very active in Quebec:

http://www.campaignlifecoalition.com/index.php?p=Defund,Quebec

As in other areas, they are pushing to shut down clinics across Canada.
The New Brunswick Liberals seem to have pushed back.

Campaign Life is framing anti-abortion activities as a "Taxpayer Liberation Movement".

This was a feeler put out by the neoliberals, and they found out it was still a third rail.

Unionist

montrealer58 wrote:

The Catholic Church is a visible "anti-choice movement".

Show me anything. I've never, ever, heard any statement against abortion from them, except something that comes from Rome. And no one listens to priests here.

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The Campaign Life Coalition is very active in Quebec:

Sorry - nonsense. Their web site is in English only. That gives you a rough idea how active they are in Québec. There is no support for anti-choice positions here. That's why Barrette had to collapse frothing at the mouth.

By the way, the same Barrette publicly condemned that private member's bill in 2008 promoting that fetuses have rights, saying it was opening the door to banning or restricting abortion. That was when he was head of the specialist physicians federation. His words at that time reflected the unanimity of Québec society on that issue.

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

You have a lot more confidence in the social democratic nature of Quebec than I do.

Let's hope you are right.