Disabled beggar must pay $25 000 to social assistance in Québec

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lagatta
Disabled beggar must pay $25 000 to social assistance in Québec

I haven't found this story in any English-language media; just in La Presse, Le Devoir and Radio-Canada (not CBC).

A disabled woman begging in the Montréal Métro has to "repay" her alleged "take", despite the fact that she obviously doesn't have a cent.

And there have been several similar judgements. It's getting to look a lot like Ontario under Harris...

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/national/201412/29/01-4831416-une-mend...

 

Regions: 
oldgoat

I've been dealing a lot with ODSP (Ontario Disability Support Programme) issues lately, and not just the recent computer snafu.  Ontario under Wynne is starting to look a lot like Ontario under Harris.

jas

How do they think they're going to reclaim this? By cutting her benefits? Based on some bureacrat's stab-in-the-dark guess? They'd rather have their $25,000 going to lawyers? The stupidity renders me speechless.

And if begging is now a legitimate "earning" activity, then welfare Quebec shouldn't mind folks setting up in front of their offices.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Merry Christmas from Philippe QuEEyARD.

See you soon in the New Year.

Unionist

No one is below the law.

[url=http://globalnews.ca/news/1747167/quebec-asks-handicapped-woman-on-welfa... asks handicapped woman on welfare to repay money earned begging[/url]

NorthReport

What's the problem - didn't she report her begging proceeds income? Frown

lombar

NorthReport wrote:

What's the problem - didn't she report her begging proceeds income? Frown

 

Yes.

Apparently in Quebec, begging counts as a job.

jas

There are probably a number of expenses associated with begging that she could deduct.

NorthReport

How do they even have a clue what meagre money she received from begging - did she issue tax-deductible receipts? What a bunch of social assistance nitwits we have working in government sometimes. 

But the problem is they will hold back her assistance cheque and harass her no end. 

Seriously this is disgusting behaviour by our bureaucrats.

bekayne

Unionist wrote:

No one is below the law.

[url=http://globalnews.ca/news/1747167/quebec-asks-handicapped-woman-on-welfa... asks handicapped woman on welfare to repay money earned begging[/url]

An adult on welfare in Quebec will receive $616 per month in Quebec in 2015.

What about an adult with a disabilty?

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

bekayne wrote:

Unionist wrote:

 

An adult on welfare in Quebec will receive $616 per month in Quebec in 2015.

What about an adult with a disabilty?

Think of paying rent on that income. How do these people eat? Oh yeah,that's right..They all beg and steal so they can drink beer all day. 

bekayne

alan smithee wrote:

bekayne wrote:

Unionist wrote:

 

An adult on welfare in Quebec will receive $616 per month in Quebec in 2015.

What about an adult with a disabilty?

Think of paying rent on that income. How do these people eat? Oh yeah,that's right..They all beg and steal so they can drink beer all day. 

No, I was just wondering because in BC someone with a PWD who pays rent gets $904 per month.

NDPP

oldgoat wrote:

I've been dealing a lot with ODSP (Ontario Disability Support Programme) issues lately, and not just the recent computer snafu.  Ontario under Wynne is starting to look a lot like Ontario under Harris.

And would be under the others as well. Such things are determined by the organ-grinders not their monkeys. This is a critical political truth too often ignored or denied by those who can afford to, on behalf of those who can't.

onlinediscountanvils

bekayne wrote:

Unionist wrote:

No one is below the law.

[url=http://globalnews.ca/news/1747167/quebec-asks-handicapped-woman-on-welfa... asks handicapped woman on welfare to repay money earned begging[/url]

An adult on welfare in Quebec will receive $616 per month in Quebec in 2015.

What about an adult with a disabilty?

If I'm reading Unionist's link correctly, a single adult with a "significant" disability would receive $937/month through the "Social Solidarity" Program.

bekayne

onlinediscountanvils wrote:

bekayne wrote:

Unionist wrote:

No one is below the law.

[url=http://globalnews.ca/news/1747167/quebec-asks-handicapped-woman-on-welfa... asks handicapped woman on welfare to repay money earned begging[/url]

An adult on welfare in Quebec will receive $616 per month in Quebec in 2015.

What about an adult with a disabilty?

If I'm reading Unionist's link correctly, a single adult with a "significant" disability would receive $937/month through the "Social Solidarity" Program.

Ah, thanks

lagatta

It depends on how the disability is determined, and whether or not it is considered permanent. I suspect that this is similar to the problem in Ontario.

Unionist

[url=http://lapravda.ca/les-sans-abris-doivent-payer/]"The homeless should pay municipal taxes just like everyone else", says Couillard[/url]

Quote:
The government will henceforth be "uncompromising" with homeless persons who refuse to pay municipal taxes. At least, that's what Philippe Couillard promised, during his annual fund-raising appeal for the members of the Montreal Chamber of Commerce.

Tickets, imprisonment, the Joël Legendre CD; Québec will use "all tools" at its disposal to make these "deadbeats" understand that they have to fulfill their "fiscal responsibilities", warned the Premier.

"We no longer have the resources to support this gang of profiteers who live off the system and refuse to pay for services which they can't access", continued M. Couillard, saying in the same breath that itinerants must also learn to tighten their belts.

My translation.

 

jas

Unionist wrote:

[url=http://lapravda.ca/les-sans-abris-doivent-payer/]"The homeless should pay municipal taxes just like everyone else", says Couillard[/url]

Okay, that actually scared me for a few minutes.

But what's scarier is that the logic is no different from the story in this thread.

Unionist

jas wrote:

Unionist wrote:

[url=http://lapravda.ca/les-sans-abris-doivent-payer/]"The homeless should pay municipal taxes just like everyone else", says Couillard[/url]

Okay, that actually scared me for a few minutes.

But what's scarier is that the logic is no different from the story in this thread.

Bingo.

 

lagatta

More on this:

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/emissions/le_15_18/2014-2015/chronique.asp?id... including an interview with a worker with a group that defends homeless and marginalized people.

We haven't heard from Manon Massé (the MNA of that riding) but I'll be keeping my eyes open after New Year's...

NorthReport

Good.

How do these creeps like Couillard get elected?

Unionist

NorthReport wrote:

Good.

How do these creeps like Couillard get elected?

1. You do understand that the last story I linked to is a satire, right?

2. You do understand that there's no evidence that the bureaucratic decision to claw back money from this homeless welfare recipient had anything to do with any politicians or any change in policy - right?

3. Couillard has done and will do much worse than what is depicted in the original story here. Same goes for the previous PQ government. And the governments in power in every single province that I'm aware of - right?

So don't jump to conclusions about Couillard. He's just one creep among many.

NorthReport

Yea, we have quite the bunch of right-wing governments in Canada, don't we. 

I'm sure BC Premier Christy "let's just run a red light for fun with my kid" Clark would do the same out here in Lotusland.

bekayne

NorthReport wrote:

Good.

How do these creeps like Couillard get elected?

By running against bigger creeps

Unionist

bekayne wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Good.

How do these creeps like Couillard get elected?

By running against bigger creeps

Oh how I wish that were true. Unfortunately, that doesn't explain Christy Clark, or John Tory, or Stephen Harper for that matter. Creeps like Couillard get elected when ordinary folks aren't sufficiently united and activized in day-to-day struggles against neoliberalism, and they fall prey to the delusion that if they vote for the right party, life will get better. It will not.

 

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

I had not been back long enough to vote in the recent Quebec election, but I did find out the meaning of couille (Warning NSFW). In the French propaganda, Dr. Couillard's prescription is said to be "frugality" and not "austerity".

I remember back in Toronto a few years ago there was this huge media campaign by the Sun to demonize a woman who did "so well" at begging she was able to afford her own shitty apartment in Scarborough. Outrageous.

As far as I know there is no law against begging, and saying begging is "income" or "working" is not true. Begging is soliciting gifts, as nothing is being offered in exchange. Considering that Canadians are allowed to receive gifts of up to $50,000 without declaring it as income and inheritances of any amount tax-free, this is scandalous. 

onlinediscountanvils

montrealer58 wrote:

As far as I know there is no law against begging, and saying begging is "income" or "working" is not true. Begging is soliciting gifts, as nothing is being offered in exchange. Considering that Canadians are allowed to receive gifts of up to $50,000 without declaring it as income and inheritances of any amount tax-free, this is scandalous. 

I'm not sure what the rules are in Québec, but Ontarians on social assistance are expected to report gifts. It doesn't necessarily affect one's payments, but it can, depending on the specific circumstances. I even know of one person whose caseworker told him he was required to report the cash value of lunches he received at a community drop-in.

lagatta

This happened to a fellow I know, whose family had supplied him some decent food and a bit of cash from time to time. It is beyond cruel.

Bacchus

Its not just beyond cruel Lagatta, its beyond stupid.

Its doesnt help anyone get off the dole (which is the supposed goal of gov't) nor does it make anyone a friend to the government

 

I was toally against the idea of a GAI but now more and more I like it