I didn't know that i was on the dark side( of the force)!

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Lefauve
I didn't know that i was on the dark side( of the force)!

The toronto star just told canadian that people like me are on the dark side(of the force) :) http://www.thestar.com/opinion/article/1002654--courting-nationalists-la... {shhhhh ...... rohhhhh} {shhhhh ...... rohhhhh}

Lefauve

And now you will join the dark side :)

6079_Smith_W

No kidding. 

I commented elsewhere about Rex Murphy's editorial in which he accuses the NDP of being taken over by the Bloc and that Layton must, as head of the opposition, clarify where he stands on the Clarity Act and a clear majority - because he heads a federalist party (says Murphy).

Murphy is a smart man, but a fool nonetheless for falling into that group that will be suspicious of Quebec no matter what they do. And I don't think he realised that his attitude does far more to threaten Canada's ties with Quebec than anything Layton has done.

For some reason Murphy seems to think that the sovereignty movement was killed on May 2. Perhaps he is not so smart after all.

Lefauve

that some journalist think that sovreignty movement is dead is yesterday news. but it the choice of word who is funny for a news paper of this standing using the good vs evil or the light vs the darkness is rather childish. it is why i made a link with starwars.

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6079_Smith_W wrote:
For some reason Murphy seems to think that the sovereignty movement was killed on May 2. Perhaps he is not so smart after all.

Maybe I'm misreading you, but I got the impression Thursday night that Murphy feels the sovereignists have moved to the NDP, and Murphy wants Layton to come out and clarify that (along with the Clarity Act and "50% plus one vote").

6079_Smith_W

Yup. That is my understanding of part of what he said too. But he has also made mention of the issue of sovereignty being settled with the election.

And he didn't say say that they had moved to the NDP, but rather that they had infiltrated the NDP (again, my interpretation).

 

Fidel

It sounds like the ol', "NDP has been infiltrated" trick again. The NDP has been infiltrated by infiltrating infiltrators. But is it a bad thing? Should we be filtrating like this?

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6079_Smith_W wrote:

Yup. That is my understanding of part of what he said too. But he has also made mention of the issue of sovereignty being settled with the election.

And he didn't say say that they had moved to the NDP, but rather that they had infiltrated the NDP (again, my interpretation).

Yeah, we're both right. It was an odd segment, probably (likely) designed to take support away from Layton by casting aspertions on him.

6079_Smith_W

@ Fidel

But we are talking about two issues here - and I think the least important is the direction of the NDP.

Lefauvre is absolutely right about the demonization of Quebec. 

 It doesn't matter what the direction, any strong united voice out of Quebec is automatically seen as a threat by some in the rest of Canada, and interpreted as something which is illegitimate and against us.

Though I should point out that there are plenty of us who feel exactly the opposite - that Quebec saved our asses by voting the way they did in the 2008 election, and that things would be far worse without their votes last month - and in one sense it didn't really matter whether it was for the bloc or the NDP. THey did a lot better than the rest of us in not voting for Harper.

 

Lefauve

Still the best way to opose is not to take them seriously. They made a stupid compare so let push that compare beyons the point of ridiculus.

Lefauve

Demonization of Quebec is not something new,they where alway some idiots who dam us what ever we do or don't do. Just think of Hydro Quebec when we build all the dam we had to borrow some money, when we ask the federal and the canadian banks we receive a clear no, there argument was that we didn't got the competence to manage such project and the energy production had to remain private, when we ask the New-York Bank there answer was a yes right away.

and now when want to represent quebec demonic power they chose hydro quebec

abnormal

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Murphy is a smart man, but a fool nonetheless for falling into that group that will be suspicious of Quebec no matter what they do. And I don't think he realised that his attitude does far more to threaten Canada's ties with Quebec than anything Layton has done.

My read is that he's suspicious of Layton and the NDP rather than Quebec. 

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6079_Smith_W wrote:

Though I should point out that there are plenty of us who feel exactly the opposite - that Quebec saved our asses by voting the way they did in the 2008 election, and that things would be far worse without their votes last month - and in one sense it didn't really matter whether it was for the bloc or the NDP. THey did a lot better than the rest of us in not voting for Harper.

I'm an old fart so although I really like the fact the NPD did so well I can't forget that Quebec also gave us free trade by massively supporting that Quebec asshole Mulroney. In my opinion NAFTA and its illegitimate offspring are the worst things to befall our political system in my lifetime.  I love Quebec but I would hardly say they saved Canada from the neo-cons.  I will admit they got buyers remorse real quick after being sucked into voting for Brian because he was from Quebec. But unfortunately by the time the remorse set in we had been wed to DC.  I would like a divorce but I don;'t hear the NDP calling for one any longer, although they used to.

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So, these 59 Quebec NDP MPs are penance for the Mulroney years?Laughing

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Boom Boom wrote:

So, these 59 Quebec NDP MPs are penance for the Mulroney years?Laughing

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