Pierre-Karl Péladeau quits as PQ leader, MNA for St-Jérôme

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cco
Pierre-Karl Péladeau quits as PQ leader, MNA for St-Jérôme

For "family reasons".

This kind of came out of nowhere. Speculation? Who'll run to take his place?

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lagatta

Utterly stunning news. Of course I'm glad to see the back of him, but I'm flabbergasted.

Véronique Hivon would be a good choice.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

1) The PQ is going nowhere in the polls, which put PKP under pressure as it would any party leader in his situation, and which clearly was an affront to his messianic sense of self.

2) His wife caught him, to paraphrase the great political analyst Nancy Sinatra "Messin' where he shouldn't have been messin", and was threatening to go public about it if he didn't step down.

3) He's fighting an alien brain worm infestation.

4) He maybe just got bored with whole thing.

 

 

cco

The expression on his face did not suggest someone who was leaving of his own accord.

Personally, I'd kind of like to see Jean-François Lisée take another crack at it. Of course, even more than that, I'd really like to see QS displace the PQ, so my feelings are mixed.

Pondering

cco wrote:

The expression on his face did not suggest someone who was leaving of his own accord.

Personally, I'd kind of like to see Jean-François Lisée take another crack at it. Of course, even more than that, I'd really like to see QS displace the PQ, so my feelings are mixed.

I'm with you on that. Although it may be wishful thinking I think the PQ is in a slow but permanent decline along with those who still want Quebec to become an independent country.

Unionist

Why did Pierre Duchesne (his chief of staff) "quit" (or was he "demoted") last week?

And Julie was on Tout le Monde en Parle last night... did anyone catch that episode? Will have to check on line.

ETA: Here's something en anglais about her appearance:

[url=http://montrealgazette.com/entertainment/stuck-in-the-middle-avec-moi-i-... in the Middle avec moi: I have even more respect for Julie Snyder after Tout le monde en parle[/url]

Could she be PQ leader?

swallow

Unionist wrote:

Could she be PQ leader?

They should pick the next PQ leader using the format of La Voix. 

Misfit

I am out of my league in this thread, but I was under the impression that Rene Levesque and the PQ was much more progressive back in the day than the party is today. Is it possible now for the party to shift back to the left somewhat and reevaluate what it's core beliefs are like the NDP is doing now? And by core beliefs, I am not including sovereignty in that mix. I am talking political spectrum only and finding a more socially democratic leader.

Debater

Yes, I think the consensus of opinion is that the PQ was more socially democratic several decades ago under Rene Levesque than it is today.

And PKP in particular is certainly more right-wing than Levesque and the PQ of old when it comes to economic policies.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Hopefully the PQ will return to its roots and become the progressive party they once were.

I can't say I'll hold my breath,unfortunately.

Debater

Rosemary Barton joked this afternoon that someone should get a camera on Pauline Marois for her reaction.

It's interesting to think whether the 2014 Quebec Election might have been different for Marois had it not been for PKP's fist pump.

https://twitter.com/RosieBarton/status/727197326876499968

swallow

alan smithee wrote:

Hopefully the PQ will return to its roots and become the progressive party they once were.

I can't say I'll hold my breath,unfortunately.

Hopefully the PQ will disappear entirely. 

Can't say I'll old my breath either.

sherpa-finn

Or as Justin Ling tweeted 'PKP resigns to spend more time with his money". 

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

I would not be surprised if I thought that PKP did all this to screw up the PQ, starting from his leadership bid. This is just too convenient. The PQ has to elect a new leader and raise a warchest by 2018, and they just don't have the critical mass of activists and campaigners they would need to do this. 

Still, Quebec's Donald Trump is gone, which is a good thing.

lagatta

Ethan Cox has an interesting take on this, in Ricochet: https://ricochet.media/en/1135/abrupt-resignation-of-pq-leader-pierre-ka...

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

swallow wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Hopefully the PQ will return to its roots and become the progressive party they once were.

I can't say I'll hold my breath,unfortunately.

Hopefully the PQ will disappear entirely. 

Can't say I'll old my breath either.

Unfortunately,that scenario would reduce Québec to PLQ and CAQ tyrannies for the next 20 years. With a different leader,a progressive Lévesque type,I'd be open to voting for them.

swallow

Or maybe it would open the door to an anti-racist social democratic party accountable to people and committed to social justice for Quebec. Rumour has it that such a party exists, though the PQ has long sceased to be it. 

Debater

Chantal Hébert

Péladeau’s departure might be good news for PQ, bad news for Liberals

Pierre Karl Péladeau’s fighting words that were music to the ears of the converted acted as a powerful deterrent on the majority of Quebec voters who cannot stomach the prospect of a third referendum anytime soon.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/05/03/pladeaus-departure-might-...

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

"Be a politician", they said.  "It'll be fun!", they said.

Misfit

Yep, Magoo is back!

Unionist

Mr. Magoo wrote:

"Be a politician", they said.  "It'll be fun!", they said.

LaughingLaughingLaughing

Debater

Jean-Martin Aussant will not seek the PQ leadership.

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/470104/parti-quebecois-jean-mar...

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

This time I hope they get it right with their choice of Leader.

Yes,I'm a supporter of QS but a progressive as PQ leader would push them closer to the left and trhat's good news.

Face it,QS isn't forming a government soon,unfortunately. The next election could see a PQ government that is true to its roots.

Thank you,PKP for resigning!

 

Unionist

Sylvain Gaudreault has been picked as interim leader.

CBC claims Véronique Hivon is the one to watch, citing sources that say a dozen PQ MNAs are about to support her - as well as former Option Nationale Jean-Martin Aussant, who won't be running himself.

But - a Léger Marketing poll says Alexandre Cloutier would reap 27% of PQ votes, vs. 15% for Bernard Drainville (he of the infamous Charter of "Values"), and only 11% for Hivon. This leads ex-premier Bernard Landry to call on the PQ to save its time and money on a leadership race and just crown Cloutier.

 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Unionist wrote:

Sylvain Gaudreault has been picked as interim leader.

CBC claims Véronique Hivon is the one to watch, citing sources that say a dozen PQ MNAs are about to support her - as well as former Option Nationale Jean-Martin Aussant, who won't be running himself.

But - a Léger Marketing poll says Alexandre Cloutier would reap 27% of PQ votes, vs. 15% for Bernard Drainville (he of the infamous Charter of "Values"), and only 11% for Hivon. This leads ex-premier Bernard Landry to call on the PQ to save its time and money on a leadership race and just crown Cloutier.

 

Where would you place each of those people on a left-right spectrum?

Unionist

Ken Burch wrote:

Unionist wrote:

Sylvain Gaudreault has been picked as interim leader.

CBC claims Véronique Hivon is the one to watch, citing sources that say a dozen PQ MNAs are about to support her - as well as former Option Nationale Jean-Martin Aussant, who won't be running himself.

But - a Léger Marketing poll says Alexandre Cloutier would reap 27% of PQ votes, vs. 15% for Bernard Drainville (he of the infamous Charter of "Values"), and only 11% for Hivon. This leads ex-premier Bernard Landry to call on the PQ to save its time and money on a leadership race and just crown Cloutier.

 

Where would you place each of those people on a left-right spectrum?

Right.

Cloutier ran against PKP and placed second, but remained loyal to all his policies. Likewise, Hivon supported Cloutier in that race.

Most importantly, none of them showed any trace of resistance to the neoliberal direction of the PQ, initiated by Lucien Bouchard's attempt to emulate Mike Harris in the 1990s.

I don't think the leadership race is about policy. It's about having an electable persona. The left opposition is not within the PQ.

I'd love to be wrong about this. If anyone is more familiar with their internal politics (I'm not), please weigh in!

 

 

Debater

New PQ leader to be elected by mid-October

Party says it will finalize rules of leadership race by end of month

May 07, 2016

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/new-pq-leader-to-be-elected-by-mi...

Debater

Véronique Hivon will officially launch her campaign for the Parti Québécois leadership on Monday.

Véronique Hivon sera de la course à la chefferie du PQ

le 08 mai 2016

http://www.laction.com/Actualites/Politique/2016-05-08/article-4522343/V...

Unionist

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swallow

Quote:

With or without him, the rotting maggot-infected carcass of what was once one of the most influential political forces in North America will continue to stink up the Québec political landscape.

...

The party has been in steady and constant moral decline since, borrowing pages from their much-maligned mortal enemy the Liberal party of Canada (LPC) by tacking left while campaigning, but swiftly and unapologetically governing to the right once in office.

[url]http://rabble.ca/news/2016/05/pierre-karl-p%C3%A9ladeau-and-party-cant-b...

Unionist

Pretty much the same lament as I made [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/qu%C3%A9bec/pierre-karl-p%C3%A9ladeau-quits-pq-l.... I won't quarrel with Mathieu as to whether the PQ has been neoliberal for 3 decades (as he says) or 2 decades (as I said). Of course he's correct about Lévesque attacking the workers and the common front. But that just put him in line with all the NDP provincial governments ever. The onslaught on public services, Mike Harris style, and the obsession with deficit, really marked Bouchard's regime.

But our conclusions are the same. It makes little difference whom the PQ chooses as its leader, so long as there is no movement for change within. And as I said above, I don't see any. Mathieu appears to concur.

 

Debater

Next PQ leader has a lot of catching up to do

The generation of sovereigntists that came of political age under Parti Québécois founder René Lévesque is out to pasture.

Chantal Hébert

Tues., May 10, 2016

Quote:
In the House of Commons, the up-and-coming generation of Quebec politicians sits on the federalist benches of the NDP opposition and the Liberal government.

Last fall, many Quebecers transferred their affection for the late Jack Layton to Justin Trudeau and his party. There was not then and there certainly is not now a return of the pendulum towards the Bloc. According to a Léger Marketing poll published by Le Devoir this weekend, 51 per cent of Quebec voters would support the federal Liberals in an election this spring, up from 36 per cent on election night.

There is more to the rising Liberal fortunes in Quebec than the glamour of the current prime minister. Quebecers are overwhelmingly supportive of Trudeau’s main policies. That is particularly but not exclusively true of younger voters.

Quebec’s millennials were already more inclined to federalism than their elders before Trudeau took centre stage. The next PQ leader has a daunting lot of catching up to do.

--

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/05/10/next-pq-leader-has-a-lot-...

swallow

"Federalist" seems an overly strong term there. "Indifferent to sovereignty" might be a better description of how most younger people feel. 

Hunt the Thimble

Unionist wrote:

The left opposition is not within the PQ.

Well, SPQ Libre still exists, even though the party itself has disavowed it. I believe they kind of carry on the more left tradition of the RIN, which joined the PQ en masse at its creation against Levesque's wishes. Nowadays they seem to mainly focus on trying to make the PQ act like QS while simultaneously bashing QS.

Unionist

Hunt the Thimble wrote:

Unionist wrote:

The left opposition is not within the PQ.

Well, SPQ Libre still exists, even though the party itself has disavowed it. I believe they kind of carry on the more left tradition of the RIN, which joined the PQ en masse at its creation against Levesque's wishes. Nowadays they seem to mainly focus on trying to make the PQ act like QS while simultaneously bashing QS.

I agree with that. But they should stop bashing QS and get a life. 

Debater

swallow wrote:

"Federalist" seems an overly strong term there. "Indifferent to sovereignty" might be a better description of how most younger people feel. 

I agree.

I think that's what Chantal Hébert is basically getting at.

lagatta

Yes, she used the wrong term. There aren't a lot of young QuébécoisEs flying maple leaves or singing O Canada. I think it would be more accurate to say their concerns are elsewhere, and that they have different ways of looking in the world. Ways that are reflected in manifestos such as Élan global, and if you actually read what QS writes on different issues, you can sense the influence. You might want to look at Ricochet - some of the articles in French are also translated into English.

Debater

Jean-François Lisée to launch leadership campaign:

Jean-François Lisée se lancera lundi dans la course à la chefferie

14 mai 2016

http://www.ledevoir.com/non-classe/470994/parti-quebecois-jean-francois-...

Debater

Course au PQ - Jean-François Lisée sur la popularité de Justin Trudeau au Québec

"On est dans une période, qui va durer quelques années, où sa lune de miel va faire en sorte que ça va étre plus difficile de détacher les Québécois du Canada."

https://twitter.com/PatriceRoyTJ/status/732319594032050177

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/politique/2016/05/16/001-jean-franc...

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Good luck,JF.

Sadly your party no longer offers anything 'distinct' or 'different'

PQ is a spent force.

Debater

I think Lisée is admitting in the interview above that it won't be easy achieving Québec Independence any time soon.

As he says, the results of the last Federal election indicate that Justin Trudeau is popular in Québec right now and the desire for Independence has dropped.

I think he said that he will not hold a referendum during the PQ's first term if it were elected.  So he's admitting that Sovereignty is at least 2 provincial elections away.

Unionist

Unionist wrote:

But - a Léger Marketing poll says Alexandre Cloutier would reap 27% of PQ votes, vs. 15% for Bernard Drainville (he of the infamous Charter of "Values"), and only 11% for Hivon. 

Drainville is leaving politics and going back to broadcasting!

I must admit, he was better in that former role.

Official announcement is expected tomorrow.