Is the PQ misguided or desperate enough to name PKP leader?

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Is the PQ misguided or desperate enough to name PKP leader?

 

The answer seems to be yes,

which should mean boom times for rival parties, esp. QSolidaire:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/stars-align-for-peladeaus-am...

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Lysiane on PKP bid:

The party apparatus is in the hands of his partisans, which will give him a handsome lead over the other contenders in the leadership race that will officially kick off in June.

Stéphane Bédard, the MNA for Chicoutimi who was elected interim leader of the party by his peers after Pauline Marois announced her resignation, is a long-time ally of Mr. Péladeau. Three years ago, Mr. Bédard was instrumental in pushing the PQ, then in opposition, to support the former Liberal government’s controversial decision to inject $200-million of taxpayers’ money into the arena being built in Quebec City. It is a pet project for Mr. Péladeau, who dreams of having his own hockey club, as a nationalist counterpart to the Montreal Canadiens, owned by the Molson family.

Mr. Bédard’s brother, Éric, managing partner for the Montreal law firm Fasken Martineau, is a close associate of Mr. Péladeau. Another brother, Maxime, is vice-president of legal affairs for Quebecor’s Groupe TVA. Martin Tremblay, a former aide to Stéphane Bédard, is also a Quebecor vice-president.

Other possible contenders for the PQ leadership include former ministers Jean-François Lisée, a high-profile blogger and long-time PQ strategist, and Bernard Drainville, a former CBC reporter who was responsible for the divisive secular charter. Both men are much better public speakers and better versed in active politics than Mr. Péladeau, but the party machine, it seems, will be rolling for PKP.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

R.I.P. Social democrat PQ (officially)

Québec politics get more and more pathetic with each passing yearCry

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Here we go...

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadian-press-news-alert-couillard-officially...

Isn't this the same rhetoric that was spewing out of Legault's face all election?

Frankie just got his wish.

Long story short,it wouldn't matter who got elected or who will become the new leader of the PQ....We were and are going to get the shaft anyway.

swallow

Best candidate for raising PQ fortunes, according to CROP poll: Gilles Duceppe. I guess he's available....

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-quebecoise/201404/...

Veronique Hivon is tied with PKP as the only other candidate who can lift PQ furtunes. 

Current party numbers, according to the same poll:

Liberal 40% (-2 since election)

CAQ 23% (no change)

PQ 22% (-3)

QS 11% (+4)

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I'm a little surprised that the QNPD wasn't included in that poll.  If there going to be launched any time now, shouldn't that be reflected in the polling being done at this point?

NorthReport

It's a good poll for QS but meaningless n the scheme of things, as the next election is 4 years away.

The QNPD haven't even announced that they will be running in the next election although a lot of left-of-centre voters are hoping they do.

And that would just be stacking the deck against the QNPD which would result in useless poll.

All in due course.

Let's try and dislodge Harper first, seeing as that is next on the agenda, and which is going to be a huge challenge in itself.

 

Ken Burch wrote:

I'm a little surprised that the QNPD wasn't included in that poll.  If there going to be launched any time now, shouldn't that be reflected in the polling being done at this point?

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sherpa-finn

Well, in response to the (existential?) question this thread poses, it looks like we will get an answer in May:

Pierre Karl Péladeau kicks off PQ leadership run in St-Jérôme

PKP gets support from 18 former Parti Québécois MNAs and ministers

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/pierre-karl-p%C3%A9ladeau-kicks-off-pq-leadership-run-in-st-j%C3%A9r%C3%B4me-1.2855311

Unionist

And he will win.

Even among some trade union colleagues, the talking point goes as follows:

"You can't make independence with just the left. It takes the whole society - both left and right."

Yeah, go put it where the sun don't shine.

The only hope today is the tremendous movement against austerity and neoliberalism, which puts all the parties on the defensive... except QS, which supports it. But when it comes to electoral politics, we haven't made that breakthrough yet.

 

jjuares

Unionist wrote:

And he will win.

Even among some trade union colleagues, the talking point goes as follows:

"You can't make independence with just the left. It takes the whole society - both left and right."

Yeah, go put it where the sun don't shine.

The only hope today is the tremendous movement against austerity and neoliberalism, which puts all the parties on the defensive... except QS, which supports it. But when it comes to electoral politics, we haven't made that breakthrough yet.

 


Is he going to have to pretend to move left? I mean wasn't the PQ a social Democratic Party at one time?

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Yes.

And he WILL be nominated,count on it.

For those of you outside Québec and want to keep score this means that we have the right wing PLQ,the right wing CAQ and now the right wing PQ.

So much for democracy in la belle province,eh?

Unionist

jjuares wrote:

Is he going to have to pretend to move left? I mean wasn't the PQ a social Democratic Party at one time?

Ohhhhh yes! It's already happened! The magic metamorphosis!!!

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/pierre-karl-peladeau-the-pqs... Karl Péladeau, the PQ’s new happy leftist[/url]

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Would the real Pierre Karl Péladeau please stand up? Whatever happened to the serial lock-out man, the union-busting CEO once described as “probably one of the worst employers Quebec has ever seen”?

I'm sold!

 

lagatta

Yes, that piece of union-busting filth has been pretending to "oppose austerity".

Another oddity is that he was elected in St-Jérôme, a town where many plants have shut down and there are a hell of a lot of poor and unemployed people. Riding offices deal with day-to-day problems such as people risking Hydro cutoffs for lack of cash or refusal of welfare for all manner of bureaucratic reasons (a confession: I once applied for welfare as a client who owed me $5000 went bankrupt - of course as a freelancer I never got it). Rich people simply don't understand the crap ordinary working people have to go through. I read all the newspaper reports about the anti-austerity demo on Saturday, and while the Gazette report was fine, the comments were obscene, about all people on welfare who could work being able to find jobs etc.

I'm not on welfare and never have been, but it is bloody hard for people over 55 and not yet eligible for OAP to find actual "jobs". And the Tory cuts have made freelancers' takings very scanty indeed.

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Unionist wrote:

jjuares wrote:

Is he going to have to pretend to move left? I mean wasn't the PQ a social Democratic Party at one time?

Ohhhhh yes! It's already happened! The magic metamorphosis!!!

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/pierre-karl-peladeau-the-pqs... Karl Péladeau, the PQ’s new happy leftist[/url]

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Would the real Pierre Karl Péladeau please stand up? Whatever happened to the serial lock-out man, the union-busting CEO once described as “probably one of the worst employers Quebec has ever seen”?

I'm sold!

 

LOL! How many shovels did it take to dig out of the room after interviewing this guy?

This is as believable as Reagan growing his hair and beard,dropping acid and burning the flag.

Rod Serling couldn't have written a better script.

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lagatta wrote:

 the comments were obscene, about all people on welfare who could work being able to find jobs etc.

 

Québec anglos are obscene. Read any comment board on English media.

Glenl

alan smithee wrote:

lagatta wrote:

Québec anglos are obscene. Read any comment board on English media.

Progressive generalization?

lagatta

Glen, unfortunately on the boards of anglo media, they are utterly obscene, anti-union, blaming poor people for their plight etc. I wonder why; I know many progressive people here who are anglophones by background.

I get the feeling that those idiots think they are punishing slacker yoof, but they are really punishing people 50 or over who don't get hired. Who are perfectly capable of working, but not of standing in place all day (walking is good for health; standing in place can kill your back and leg joints) or who don't have the perfect teeth needed to work with the public in service jobs.

swallow

The Gazette comments threads are sites of some of the most vicious hatred online. It's rather appalling. It's not a full representation of Quebec anglos though.... More decent Quebec anglo voices abound, from Tom Mulcair to the (Eastern) Townshippers Association. 

Meanwhile, no question in my mind that PKP is in and will continue to pose as a social democrat. He says his one unique goal is sovereignty, though.... With some years of the disgusting Couillard government still to go, there seems to be at least an opportunity for a party linked to social movements to break through, there bweign no election in the offing for folks like Bureau-Blouin to leap at opportunsitically. 

Glenl

Thank you for acknowledging my comment. It wasn't intended to be taken personally. So many discussions here are sidetracked by a careless, too often toxic, comment. It often kills the thread topic and generally creates a hostile environment that discourages participation. For what it's worth I will try to highlight these comments when I see them and I hope others will join in as well.

jjuares

alan smithee wrote:

Unionist wrote:

jjuares wrote:

Is he going to have to pretend to move left? I mean wasn't the PQ a social Democratic Party at one time?

Ohhhhh yes! It's already happened! The magic metamorphosis!!!

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/pierre-karl-peladeau-the-pqs... Karl Péladeau, the PQ’s new happy leftist[/url]

Quote:

Would the real Pierre Karl Péladeau please stand up? Whatever happened to the serial lock-out man, the union-busting CEO once described as “probably one of the worst employers Quebec has ever seen”?

I'm sold!

 

LOL! How many shovels did it take to dig out of the room after interviewing this guy?

This is as believable as Reagan growing his hair and beard,dropping acid and burning the flag.

Rod Serling couldn't have written a better script.


Someone should write a satirical play on. PKP using the Christmas Carol. He goes to bed and is visited by ghosts of union members and then he converts to social democracy.

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jjuares wrote:

Someone should write a satirical play on. PKP using the Christmas Carol. He goes to bed and is visited by ghosts of union members and then he converts to social democracy.

Laughing

lagatta

Shades of Michel Chartrand!

bekayne
Debater

Jean-Francois Lisée withdraws from PQ leadership race

January 23, 2015

http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/lisee-to-pull-candidacy-for-p...

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Lisée steps down from the leadership race, Drainville steps in

Friday, January 23, 2015

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/lisée-steps-down-from-the-leadership-race-drainville-steps-in-1.2202430

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Lisée se retire de la course parce que Péladeau a déjà gagné

le 23 janvier 2015

http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/politique/201501/23/01-48378...

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Desperation.

Drainville has no chance and there's no one with the celebrity or popularity to challenge Péladeau.

The political situation in Québec is a lot more desperate and hopeless than federally.

PLQ-CAQ-PQ...no difference and no alternative.

Unionist

alan smithee wrote:

The political situation in Québec is a lot more desperate and hopeless than federally.

PLQ-CAQ-PQ...no difference and no alternative.

I concur with alan. Of course there's QS, but...

And then, there are the students, and the workers, and women, and indigenous folks... but...

Let's build for the future. The present looks like a bit of a writeoff.

 

 

 

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Divide and conquer

Debater

alan smithee wrote:

Desperation.

Drainville has no chance and there's no one with the celebrity or popularity to challenge Péladeau.

The political situation in Québec is a lot more desperate and hopeless than federally.

PLQ-CAQ-PQ...no difference and no alternative.

Well, there are alternatives in Québec - one can debate whether the parties are different enough from one another, but at least it's not a one-party province like Alberta where the same party is in power for 40 years straight.  There are multiple parties, and 2 or 3 of them have the ability to form government if Québecers want to make a change.

Now that Danielle Smith has betrayed her own party by destroying Wild Rose so that Prentice can extend the dominance of the PC's, I think most people would say that it's Alberta that doesn't ever seem to give voters any alternative.

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Sorry,D.

But Québec may as well have one party. The 3 main parties are carbon copies of themselves. The only difference is their stances on creating a Charter of 'Values' which your average Quebecker couldn't give a shit about.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtkRM0LSwx8

"Spot the narcissist" by Australian Institute of Professional Counsellors

Do you wake up in the morning and say "I deserve to be the king of my own country because the universe revolves around me anyway" If you do, you have Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

"A grandiose sense of self-worth with no corresponding achievements". 

Seems to perfectly describe a number of politicians currently in the running.

lagatta

Yes, not only Péladeau, but also JFLisée.

tducey1

This is Peledau's race to lose IMO. ? is does he have enough support to become premier of Quebec?

Unionist

PKP, no doubt inspired by Netanyahu's win after swearing that Palestinians would never be treated as human beings, is trying a new tack - either that, or he's just plain stupid (comes with being too rich):

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/pierre-karl-p%C3%A9ladeau-s-polit... candidate argues Parti Québécois at risk of vanishing due to flow of newcomers to province[/url]

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"We don’t have 25 years ahead of us to achieve [sovereignty]. With demographics, with immigration, we’re definitely losing one riding each year," Péladeau told a room of 350 people.

He said the PQ could be in danger of disappearing if immigrants continue to come to the province in great numbers.

Quebec would love to control immigration, he said; however, the PQ should not have any illusions about who really controls the number of newcomers to the province.

"Who’s responsible for the immigrants who come and settle in Quebec? It’s the federal government," Péladeau said.

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Yeah. This comes days after Frankie Legault said 'learn French or get the fuck out'

It's pretty sad when the Opposition makes the Couillard Liberals seem rational.

Xenophobia rules the day now.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

He's their Donald Trump.

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

As I said, the Canadian political spectrum is neoliberal on the left and fascist on the right.

What is sad is that collectivism in this system is now a right-wing force, because traditional left-wing collectivism has simply ceased to exist. Right-wing collectivism is fascist in nature. It stresses nationalism, uses powerful symbols, and speaks of mystical national, racial, and ethnic identities in a mechanized human being. Everyone wants their Fuhrer, and PKP is trying to let us know that he loves animals and children.

NorthReport

Taking about coalitions perhaps the NPD can eventually join ranks with QS

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

Even better, NPD supporters can work for QS. There is already a foot in the door there.

NorthReport

That kind of comment reminds me of some of the coalition talk federally.

montrealer58 wrote:

Even better, NPD supporters can work for QS. There is already a foot in the door there.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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As I said, the Canadian political spectrum is neoliberal on the left and fascist on the right.

Canada has more than one far-left party.  Problem is, even people who complain that there "aren't any choices" don't support them.

Were you one of the 0.02% of voters who supported the Communist Party of Canada?  If not, where is change supposed to come from??

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

NorthReport wrote:

That kind of comment reminds me of some of the coalition talk federally.

montrealer58 wrote:

Even better, NPD supporters can work for QS. There is already a foot in the door there.

Not really-after all, the Quebec NDP you keep calling for still hasn't been established and doesn't seem likely to be established anytime soon.

So at this point, QS is the only left-of-centre party in Quebec(the PQ having turned, apparently, into the second coming of the Union Nacionale, or, Dieu help us all, the Quebec wing of the National Front).

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So, why is the PQ waiting until May of this year to hold its leadership convention?  It's weird over a year will have gone by between the last Quebec election(and Pauline Marois' election-night resignation as leader)without a new permanent leader being selected, especially since it it's been clear for months now that PKP has a lock on getting the job.  Who in the party would have anything to gain from keeping the leadership essentially open for that length of time?

lagatta

In the real word, a lot of NDP supporters here do at least vote QS and vice-versa.

This is utterly ghastly, as this morning the Liberal prick Godbout made an outright declaration of war against the many people struggling to get by. I don't believe for a moment that the increased sales and excise taxes will be "compensated" by the little TVQ solidarity cheques. They aren't even enough to pay a single bill.

Péladeau has made a sort of apology, but the damage is done.

As for French, yes I do think people have to learn French here, but the idea of booting people out if they can't speak proper French after three years is xenophobic and pedagogic nonsense. It can take that long for an educated person who speaks a related language (in this case, another Latin language, and in general, it takes longer with age). It is much more challenging for people with a hearing disability (not impossible, but it takes more time and effort). I'd love to stick Frankie somewhere in Asia, for example, and see how he does with very different language systems. Or for that matter, learn a local Indigenous language...

The rightwing parties in the Netherlands were strong on the learning Dutch issue. Once again, in a certain sense they were correct, but in practice this meant targeting immigrants from Global South, while doing nothing about the First-World "expats" who got by speaking only English and their own language if it was another one.

Now Amir is speaking about this taxation crap. You can listen to interviews on "C'est pas trop tôt" and other Radio-Canada Radio programs online later (idem those on CBC Daybreak).

Québec solidaire's support has risen to 16%, but that doesn't mean that people will actually vote for us. Habits die hard, and for many Québec workers, the PQ is still seen as vaguely on their side, despite so much evidence to the contrary.

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lagatta wrote:

 

Québec solidaire's support has risen to 16%, but that doesn't mean that people will actually vote for us. Habits die hard, and for many Québec workers, the PQ is still seen as vaguely on their side, despite so much evidence to the contrary.

Well said.

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How are they going to determine if we know French?

Are they going to 'boot out' people who were born here? What are they going to do? Put us on trains and drop us off at the Ontario border? Exterminate us if we refuse to go?

What standard of 'French' do they expect us to have? Are we supposed to understand Joual as well?

The PQ have done Couillard's job for him. Anyone who is not 'pur laine' Francophone is going to vote Liberal now.

Neoliberal is not left, but it is left of fascist.

lagatta

Oh, come on. Obviously I'm against the PQ for many reasons, but "fascist" is a bit much. Look at what the Liberals are doing right now to people here - if they manage to get their regressive tax system through, it is a huge attack on the less wealthy, that is most of us.

If Québec were a sovereign state, the language qualification would be easy - there are certainly countries, and not just "fascist" ones, that require language knowledge for citizenship, often with exemptions for elderly people and people with certain disabilities. The problem is the demagoguery.

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