PQ polling at 19%

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Brachina
PQ polling at 19%

http://blunt-objects.blogspot.ca/2014/05/south-africa-india-quebec-and-m...

 

 This is between elections so honestly its just a curosity, nothing more meaningful.

 

 Still this is good news for Duceppe, this could be his chance for a come back.

KenS

I really doubt he wants that torture.

lagatta

I saw Duceppe and his spouse Yolande Brunelle walking into my neighbourhood's legendary "Quincaillerie Dante" (which sells cookware now, rather than hardware, but still sells hunting rifles and other hunting and fishing supplies). They looked very happy and relaxed. Duceppe is a political animal, but seems happy now in his "elder statesman" role.

I've also encountered them on bicycle paths; they are both very much into keeping fit. So easy to get out of shape in politics. I also run into Alexandre Boulerice and Françoise David cycling, when they are in their home ridings.

I know Duceppe slightly, because we both worked at the CSN.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

This poll is misleading...Of course the PQ is trailing in the polls,they have no leader and just got their asses handed to them in the election.

Out of all the names floating around as to who will lead the PQ,Duceppe seems like the good choice.

I think Duceppe would accept the leadership...He sounds a lot more inviting than Marois,Drainville or PKP.

Brachina

http://m.thestar.com/#!/canada/gilles-duceppe-not-interested-in-leading-...

 

 Duceppe just catogically turned the job down, the best news PKP has heatd since Pauline stepped down.

Unionist
NorthReport

Really.

And I thought you wanted a multitude of threads.

Make up your mind.

 

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Unionist

NorthReport wrote:

Really.

And I thought you wanted a multitude of threads.

I do. When the PQ polling goes to 18% (or 20%), I'll be opening a new thread.

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Make up your mind.

I only wish I had that much self-control.

Anyway, I'm just having an enjoyable morning, so I thought I'd make a few of my trademark lighthearted comments.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

A National Assembly lead by Couillard,Legault and PKP?

I foresee many years of headaches to come.

David Young

I'd just like to know if there is an equally substantial drop in support for the B.Q.

There will be a half-million votes up for grabs if the B.Q. support drops the same way.

And those are voters who are NEVER going to vote Liberal!!!!!

 

lagatta

A lot of Bloc voters chose the NDP last time. Certainly in my riding, and in Duceppe's, which is just south of mine.

Don't take that choice to mean they had suddenly become ardent federalists, though.

David Young

lagatta wrote:

A lot of Bloc voters chose the NDP last time. Certainly in my riding, and in Duceppe's, which is just south of mine.

Don't take that choice to mean they had suddenly become ardent federalists, though.

No, I have no illusions that they are 'ardent federalists', lagatta.

It's just that since the 1958 election, there has been a solid block of Quebec voters who have voted Conservative, Social Credit, Conservative, Bloc Quebecois, and most recently NDP, (or stayed home) who have shown that the Liberals are simply not an option for them.

With three new seats coming Quebec's way in 2015, a collapse in B.Q. support could mean a large increase in non-Liberal support, and more seats for non-Liberals.

Given Justin (It-For-Me) Trudeau's decreased support in 2011 from 2008 in his own riding, without the split between NDP and B.Q. voters, he's going to have trouble holding on to his own riding.

 

lagatta

Oh, I so dearly want Justin to lose. He is always nattering on about the "middle-class", although he supposedly represents one of the poorest ridings in Canada.

For those concerned about "splitting the vote", there is absolutely no chance of the Cons winning in Papineau. They got less than 5% of the vote in 2011.

josh
DaveW

with the Bloc essentially dead now, the PQ has to face squarely its own mortality;

is it, as the polisci prof (V.Lemieux?) opined, the "party of a generation" (mine), hence inexorably declining with them as an electoral segment?

a lot of evidence for that

Debater

David Young wrote:

lagatta wrote:

A lot of Bloc voters chose the NDP last time. Certainly in my riding, and in Duceppe's, which is just south of mine.

Don't take that choice to mean they had suddenly become ardent federalists, though.

No, I have no illusions that they are 'ardent federalists', lagatta.

It's just that since the 1958 election, there has been a solid block of Quebec voters who have voted Conservative, Social Credit, Conservative, Bloc Quebecois, and most recently NDP, (or stayed home) who have shown that the Liberals are simply not an option for them.

With three new seats coming Quebec's way in 2015, a collapse in B.Q. support could mean a large increase in non-Liberal support, and more seats for non-Liberals.

Given Justin (It-For-Me) Trudeau's decreased support in 2011 from 2008 in his own riding, without the split between NDP and B.Q. voters, he's going to have trouble holding on to his own riding.

This is an old post, but I just wanted to point out a couple of things.

1.  Please don't refer to Justin Trudeau as 'It-For-Me'.  I try to refrain from referring to Mulcair as 'Angry Tom', because that type of thing doesn't add to the dialogue here.

2.  It's somewhat misleading to say Trudeau's support decreased in 2011.  His percentage of the vote dropped a couple of points, yes, but his winning margin tripled.  He increased his majority from 3 points to 10 points.  If he can retain his seat in what was the worst election for the Liberals in history, that indicates he has staying power.

3.  Justin doesn't need to rely on a vote-split to get elected.  The riding of Papineau used to vote 50% Liberal prior to 2004.  Justin has a strong chance of hitting 50% next time.  Recent polls show he attracts a percentage of BQ & NDP voters.  Not as many as Mulcair, but he does get some.  Added to the Liberal vote in Papineau, that should be more than enough to win in 2015.

4.  Lagatta, the riding of Papineau is getting far more attention from Justin Trudeau than it has had in years.  He has helped put the riding on the map again - something it didn't have when Barbot was MP, nor when Pettigrew was MP.  Barbot had no lasting influence, and Pettigrew was badly-suited to the riding.

Debater

Getting back to the main topic, it looks like PQ support has recovered a few points, but is obviously still down.

CAQ support seems to have levelled off since the election.