QS: A Québécois Approach to Building a Broad Left Party (Part I)

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QS: A Québécois Approach to Building a Broad Left Party (Part I)

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Unionist

[url=http://canadiandimension.com/blog/4117/]Québec Solidaire: A Québécois Approach to Building a Broad Left Party (Part I)[/url]

Besides the scholarly analysis, there is lots of historical information here for anyone interested in learning more about Québec left politics. Not sure I agree with all of it, but I think it's a must-read in any event.

 

2Gyor

I'd laugh if QS won with a higher ratio of federalist elected then soverniegnists. What would Kardre do if a dipper won in 2015 and she asked him to sign the constitution with his federalist MNAs demanding he sign it.

Not that QS will win, Jack opened up an opportunity, but QS's unwillingness to drop soverniegnity means Legault walked through instead. Quebec needs a provinicial NDP wing, lead by say Alexderine Bouterice to counter Legualt. Otherwise Quebecers should get used to rightwing governments, either Legualt or Jean Charest depending if Legualt can mentain momentum. Quebec should look carefully at Alberta to see its future with the cons in first and wildrose in second. Legualt governmet with Liberal opposition?

Aristotleded24

2Gyor wrote:
I'd laugh if QS won with a higher ratio of federalist elected then soverniegnists. What would Kardre do if a dipper won in 2015 and she asked him to sign the constitution with his federalist MNAs demanding he sign it.

The Quebec left is at the very least, very autonomiste and has leaned towards supporting sovereignty. But other groups that the left needs to win over, like Aboriginals and ethnic minorities, tend to lean more towards the federalist end of the spectrum. QS seems to be doing well as it is with its focus on economic issues, but eventually it's going to have to try and reconcile these differences if it is to have any staying power.

flight from kamakura

bwahhahah. from the delusional thinking file:  http://fr.canoe.ca/infos/quebeccanada/politiqueprovinciale/archives/2011...

here's a guess on how this transpires: the pq will recruit a somewhat notable sovereignist, that person will lose very badly to khadr, as everyone expected. duceppe would have to take leave of his senses to run in mercier. the boat has sailed, pq folks.

Howard

I love QS but they strike me as very dogmatic and as some have noted, sovereignty is a non-starter for many voters.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Quebec politics is in a pathetically undemocratic poutine.

Next election may find up to 6 parties vying for power...5 of which are right wing with only QS representing the left.

Quebec desperately needs a provincial NDP party.

Lefauve

alan smithee wrote:

Quebec politics is in a pathetically undemocratic poutine.

Next election may find up to 6 parties vying for power...5 of which are right wing with only QS representing the left.

Quebec desperately needs a provincial NDP party.

 

You exagerate Parti quebecois got several faction in itself who are left wing like SPQ libre

It like a party inside the party it is why this party is so hard to manage.

And at the current paste the PQ will slide from the center to the left. The right wing is currently loosing  inside the PQ.

I know that you don't really like the PQ for his sovreignist background, but develop many social innovation. 

 

 

An other thing that you need to keep in mind Quebec had for all his existence since que conquest rely only on himself for what ever

the federal governement didn't do a thing for year unless they got there arm twisted behind there back. It is why Quebec identity is much stronger that Canadian Identity in Quebec. As a remember they where alway a power struggle between Canada/Quebec.

Unionist

Lefauve, I admire your courage in engaging this discussion. People who don't understand the role of national sovereignty in Québec politics will not be convinced to change their minds through conversation and arguments. Once again, we see leftists interpreting the NDP victory and the problems of the PQ as being some kind of turn towards federalism (!). We even hear above that the "ethnic minorities" are federalist (shades of Parizeau). This cannot be the basis of a conversation among progressive people - especially ones who haven't even bothered to read the article which was the raison d'être of this thread. Dommage.

 

Howard

I think Quebec needs a provincial NDP. The province needs to break solidly out of the sovereigntist-federalist frame and allow people to vote for broader political interests again. There have been simpler times when either the PQ was reliably left and the PLQ clearly to the right, but those times are gone. The PQ and PLQ, stripped of their positions on sovereignty, don't have enough to differentiate them, which is why we are seeing the run to new parties.

Lefauve

Unionist, it not like they know all the little stuff of our province politique, everything got to be explain and since there is no impartial information for them. And for that i'm willing to take the job of explaining. Even so here on babble people are mostly intellectual it not that hard to speak about sovreignty here. Sure like in every place there will be some people who will take it hard, but it just mean that we got to be patient.Smile

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Lefauve wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Quebec politics is in a pathetically undemocratic poutine.

Next election may find up to 6 parties vying for power...5 of which are right wing with only QS representing the left.

Quebec desperately needs a provincial NDP party.

 

You exagerate Parti quebecois got several faction in itself who are left wing like SPQ libre

It like a party inside the party it is why this party is so hard to manage.

And at the current paste the PQ will slide from the center to the left. The right wing is currently loosing  inside the PQ.

I know that you don't really like the PQ for his sovreignist background, but develop many social innovation. 

 

 

An other thing that you need to keep in mind Quebec had for all his existence since que conquest rely only on himself for what ever

the federal governement didn't do a thing for year unless they got there arm twisted behind there back. It is why Quebec identity is much stronger that Canadian Identity in Quebec. As a remember they where alway a power struggle between Canada/Quebec.

 

Hi,Lefauve.

Just to be clear,I don't like the PQ because it is no longer the party of Rene Levesque...I don't recognize this party as a centre/left entity.

I'd love to see Duceppe take over the leadership of the PQ.

So it has nothing to do with sovereignty...Actually,if there was a referendum tomorrow,I'd vote Yes.

Cheers.

Lefauve

alan smithee wrote:

Lefauve wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Quebec politics is in a pathetically undemocratic poutine.

Next election may find up to 6 parties vying for power...5 of which are right wing with only QS representing the left.

Quebec desperately needs a provincial NDP party.

 

You exagerate Parti quebecois got several faction in itself who are left wing like SPQ libre

It like a party inside the party it is why this party is so hard to manage.

And at the current paste the PQ will slide from the center to the left. The right wing is currently loosing  inside the PQ.

I know that you don't really like the PQ for his sovreignist background, but develop many social innovation. 

 

 

An other thing that you need to keep in mind Quebec had for all his existence since que conquest rely only on himself for what ever

the federal governement didn't do a thing for year unless they got there arm twisted behind there back. It is why Quebec identity is much stronger that Canadian Identity in Quebec. As a remember they where alway a power struggle between Canada/Quebec.

 

Hi,Lefauve.

Just to be clear,I don't like the PQ because it is no longer the party of Rene Levesque...I don't recognize this party as a centre/left entity.

I'd love to see Duceppe take over the leadership of the PQ.

So it has nothing to do with sovereignty...Actually,if there was a referendum tomorrow,I'd vote Yes.

Cheers.

 

The PQ inner structure is like Jello; alway moving. One Day it left, the other day it right, and then return to the left.

But what it making the PQ move back to the left. First of all the Legault phenomena who's draining the right wing of the PQ.

So what will remain will be the Left wing of PQ, the second phenomena is that the head of the PQ is also crumbling in order to stabilize an union with the Mr Aussant.

The third thing to consider is the latest scandal who hit the right wing hardly even inside the PQ.

I saw the PQ change many time, taging it with a permanant Left or Right is not a good idea