Quebec moves ahead with gun registry

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In the lead-up to the 26th anniversary of the Polytechnique massacre, Québec is moving forward to create its own long-gun registry:

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-gun-registry-bill-1.334819...'s proposed long-gun registry 'good news,' says Polytechnique survivor[/url]

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Bill 64, the Firearms Registration Act, would require that all firearms in Quebec be registered. [...]

The proposed legislation comes more than eight months after the Supreme Court of Canada ruled the federal government could scrap data collected from Quebec gun owners. [...]

The proposed legislation would require every gun owner in the province to apply to the ministry to register all firearms. Anyone who settles in Quebec would have 45 days to apply.

Each firearm would be assigned a unique number by the ministry, and owners would be required to "affix it to the firearm in the manner prescribed by government regulation."

The penalty for an individual failing to register a gun would be a fine ranging from $500 to $5,000.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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The penalty for an individual failing to register a gun would be a fine ranging from $500 to $5,000.

Criminals would be well advised to stash $500 away in case they're ever caught. 

Hurtin Albertan

Criminals will need a lot more than 500 bucks, it's still illegal in Canada to be in posession of firearms without a valid license.  Assuming these are the sort of criminals that have guns and no licenses of course.

I suspect Mike from Canmore will have been doing a lot of business with Quebec gun owners, and there will also have been an unprecedented rash of boating accidents.

Anyways, congratulations to Quebec for solving all their other pressing social issues to the point where they can spend tax dollars and limited police resources on a new gun registry!

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

If gun nuts don't like Quebec's gun laws, they don't have to come to Quebec. We have enough problems here without idiots running around with guns.

Paladin1

montrealer58 wrote:

If gun nuts don't like Quebec's gun laws, they don't have to come to Quebec. We have enough problems here without idiots running around with guns.

The online poll I seen on CBCs story about the gun registry had about 70% of respondents against the registry.

With 1.6 million estimated guns in Quebec I'm going to guess that some gun nuts are already living there lol

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

Perhaps you are too young to remember the Ecole Polytechnique and the National Assembly killings here in Quebec. Joking about gun control is trollery you might take elsewhere. I am sure there is a Ted Nugent fanboy site that will be more accommodating.

Hurtin Albertan

Sadly I was around for both of those. 

The National Assembly shooting was done with submachine guns somehow stolen out of a military armoury, how the hell does that happen?

And I've always wondered but never found out why the Mini 14 rifle remained a non-restricted firearm when the laws were changed in '95, but a whole laundry list of other unrelated firearms somehow became Restricteds or Prohibiteds.  The only shooting I can think of that used a prohibited firearm occurred in Alberta in 2005, but it's entirely possible that wasn't the only case, probably just the only one where the firearm was found by police after the fact.  Probably lots of Prohibiteds used at Oka but that was in '90 and they likely weren't prohibited at the time.

Anyways hope it works out for you all and you don't end up spending a ton of time and money on this. 

A la prochaine fois!

Unionist

The gun-lickers are going into a frenzy. They never expected this, and they fear the worst. They are so right. [url=http://www.guns.com/2015/12/04/canada-mass-shooting-leads-to-registry-bu...'s an example[/url] of what gun advocacy can do to human brains. CAUTION: Don't click on that link if you have allergies, neuroses, or human feelings.

 

Paladin1

montrealer58 wrote:

Perhaps you are too young to remember the Ecole Polytechnique and the National Assembly killings here in Quebec. Joking about gun control is trollery you might take elsewhere. I am sure there is a Ted Nugent fanboy site that will be more accommodating.

Truth be told I never heard of the national assembly  killings but I was a teenager when the Polytechnique shootings happened.  I'll go read about the assembly. 
I'm not joking about gun control.  You made a comment about people not moving to Quebec if they don't like the rules.  I pointed out with an estimated 1.6million firearms in Quebec there are some"gun nuts" already there. 

Here's a couple things that make me wonder,  and maybe you can help with. 
1. A firearm registry wouldn't have stopped Marc lepine.  He obtained a firearm licence and bought the rifle legally.  The only thing him registering that gun would have resulted in was $20 in the government's pocket and a piece of paper with his name and the gun info (likely with errors)  in his pocket.  Yet the registry seems synonymous with the Polytechnique shootings? 
2. After the shootings we made a bunch of guns restricted and ban other guns. That said the gun Marc lepine used is still non restricted.  I can go buy it,  shoot it at my cabin all day then drive around Montreal with it in the back seat and I wouldn't be breaking  a law.  Why impose restrictions on other guns but not the one used in the murders? 

Unionist

montrealer58 wrote:

Perhaps you are too young to remember the Ecole Polytechnique and the National Assembly killings here in Quebec. Joking about gun control is trollery you might take elsewhere. I am sure there is a Ted Nugent fanboy site that will be more accommodating.

Please don't encourage gun fanatics by engaging them.

And please, if you're listing massacres attributable to guns floating around uncontrolled, don't forget the Dawson and the Concordia shootings.

 

Hurtin Albertan

Or Mayerthorpe.

lagatta

I was just about to point out Concordia and Dawson. I know someone who had to hide under her desk at Concordia. Remember when I heard about that - at the Université de Montréal bookshop, where I was buying ... how's this for nostalgia ... floppy discs. You can imagine how this freaked us out after Polytechnique.It was only 2 1/2 years later - I did most of my university studies part-time, working during the day, so I was there for several years.

Mayerthorpe was in Alberta, not in Québec. Not that it makes it any less tragic,  just if we were to list all such killings in the world, we'll never stop.

The point of gun registry is not to eliminate all guns (though it does sound as if we have far too many - those aren't all hunters or people who live in isolated Northern regions) but to ascertain whether there are guns. Though I can't understand for the life of me why the weapon used by the Polytechnique killer hasn't been outlawed.

josh

Paladin1 wrote:

montrealer58 wrote:

If gun nuts don't like Quebec's gun laws, they don't have to come to Quebec. We have enough problems here without idiots running around with guns.

The online poll I seen on CBCs story about the gun registry had about 70% of respondents against the registry.

With 1.6 million estimated guns in Quebec I'm going to guess that some gun nuts are already living there lol

Oh, an online poll. Well, that settles it.

quizzical

guess  QC isn't all on board for a gun registry at all.........clearly claims of knowing what all Quebecers want is not accurate.

 

Unionist

quizzical wrote:

guess  QC isn't all on board for a gun registry at all.........clearly claims of knowing what all Quebecers want is not accurate.

 

Which claims are those, quizzical? Who claimed they knew what "all Quebecers want"? Could you kindly give us a reference to what you might be talking about?

All parties in the National Assembly are agreed on the establishment of a registry. When it comes to individuals, Québec has gun fanatic dickheads just like other provinces, like yours. Fortunately, they are a tiny minority and don't carry any weight here. The article you quoted proves that quite well.

quizzical

montealer58's comments are clearly stating Quebecers are of one mind on this, as there are no gun nuts  there. according to his posts above they would have to come from somewhere else.

Unionist

quizzical wrote:

montealer58's comments are clearly stating Quebecers are of one mind on this, as there are no gun nuts  there. according to his posts above they would have to come from somewhere else.

I read what he said - and he never said that there were no gun nuts in Québec. He said that if gun nuts don't like our laws, they don't have to come here. And he was talking directly to some non-Quebecers in the thread.

He also mentioned the Polytechnique. And I could mention Concordia and Dawson. Did you think he was suggesting these were not Quebecers??

We have our share of gun-loving nutcases in Québec. The difference with all other provinces is this: That there's a political consensus among all parties here to do something about it. That doesn't exist anywhere else, unfortunately. It took a lot of tragedies to get us here.

quizzical

well you read it how you want. i took and take  the "they don't have to come here" as what it says and implied.

what makes Quebec different than other provinces in the mass shooting depatment?

Unionist

quizzical wrote:

well you read it how you want. i took and take  the "they don't have to come here" as what it says and implied.

Ok, he said there's not a single gun nut in Québec, and you've proven him totally wrong. Let's move on.

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what makes Quebec different than other provinces in the mass shooting depatment?

I don't think I understand your question. I just finished reminding you of three horrible shooting attacks in schools (Polytechnique, Concordia, Dawson) in the past 26 years. In fact, they all took place within a few minutes' drive of where I lived at the time. There was also the shooting in 1984 right inside the National Assembly in Québec City, where three employees were killed and many wounded.

I hope it doesn't take tragedies like that in other provinces to wake people up. I believe a majority of Canadians in every region want stricter gun controls. As in the U.S., there are well-financed lobby groups opposing that. I don't think a registry is nearly enough - but the fact is that Quebecers want action to reduce the chances of another disaster.

quizzical

there's not been mass shootings so far anyway in other parts of Canada. yet several in QC. why?

Paladin1

As of 2014 Quebec had 495,537 issued firearms licences; that's a lot of nuts.

Restricted and prohibited firearms (Handguns & some rifles) are already registered in Quebec with the Cheif Firearms Office.

Maybe things might be a little more clear if someone could explain how a farmer calling a 1-800 number to read off the serial number of his shotgun and add it to the already active and working database will cost an extra 20 million dollars (+ 5 million annually).

 

Is it possible that the Quebec long-rifle registry isn't about protecting the public so much as it's about putting money into someones pocket?

Unionist

quizzical wrote:

there's not been mass shootings so far anyway in other parts of Canada. yet several in QC. why?

Maybe you should look for others.

Try googling "Phu Lam". (2014)

And "Mayerthorpe". (2005)

And "Claresholm". (2011)

And "W.R. Myers High School". (1999)

Those four were in Alberta.

And remember Moncton 2014 - 5 RCMP shot, 3 killed.

Let me know if you want more. I still don't understand your question.

 

quizzical

ok take your point. they're have be  few with a handful killed elsewhere.

Paladin1

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Unionist

Paladin1 wrote:

The online poll I seen on CBCs story about the gun registry had about 70% of respondents against the registry.

Luckily we don't allow NRA U.S.-basement-dwelling keyboard warriors to vote here.

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-gun-control-registry-bill-... 64 coasts through National Assembly vote with cross-party support[/url]

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MNAs voted 99 to eight in favour of replacing the long-gun registry that was dismantled by the federal government in 2012.

The new law will require all firearms in the province to have a serial number, which will then be inscribed in a database. Gun sales will also have to be signaled to authorities.