Quebec election -- final 2 weeks and decision April 7th

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robbie_dee

Konrad Yakabuski,[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/after-moves-to-left-and-rig..."After moves to left and right, Parti Québécois may move down,"[/url] Globe and Mail, March 26, 2014.

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During the “Maple Spring” of 2012, Parti Québecois Leader Pauline Marois wore a red patch in solidarity with students opposing tuition hikes and even banged on pots with them in protest. Elected Premier later that year, she chose the most left-leaning cabinet in decades, naming a former Quebec Green Party stalwart as her environment minister.

The failure of those moves to boost her Parti Québecois among young Quebeckers, or win back progressives from the upstart Québec Solidaire, led Ms. Marois to change tack. Over the past year, she moved the PQ to the right in a clear attempt to go after conservative nationalists who had gravitated to the Coalition Avenir Québec.

It seemed to work for a while. But the PQ candidacy of media magnate and newly committed sovereigntist Pierre Karl Péladeau appears to have sent anti-referendum Caquistes seeking refuge with the Liberals, and more left-wing voters into the arms of Québec Solidaire. Ms. Marois’s “right turn” could even cost her power on April 7.

“The PQ government is going in the same direction as the Liberals, with austerity policies and supporting businesses that pollute,” says Manon Massé, who stands a good chance of becoming Québec Solidaire’s third MNA by winning the once solidly Péquiste Montreal riding of Sainte-Marie-Saint-Jacques.

As for the arrival of Mr. Péladeau, “people in my riding are indignant,” Ms. Massé adds. “That man has put hundreds – even thousands – of workers on lock-out over the years.”

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The failure of those moves to boost her Parti Québecois among young Quebeckers, or win back progressives from the upstart Québec Solidaire, led Ms. Marois to change tack.

Breton hardly remained in place long enough to make an impression.

La Patronne probably didn't intend all along to keep him any longer than necessary, it was only to make a vague semblance of a possible commitment some time down the road at the right juncture should the economic conditions allow...

La veille des élections,

il t'appelait son fils.

Le lendemain comme de raison,

il avait oublié ton nom.

(1'40")

What's the point of independence if it is only to get more of the same shit, but in a different color?

Shale gas, shale oil, Alberta shit, plan Nord, useless power dams, the same corrupt asphalt and concrete mafia...

cco

Couillard used a Channel Islands tax haven while he was working in Saudi Arabia

The CBC's headline stresses that he "legally deposited money". Curiously, the Gazette doesn't appear to have picked up the story at all.

DaveW

The voter scare was to attack QS in its possible 3rd riding , Ste Marie

Unionist

Yeah, they did, they just downplayed it a bit as part of his disclosure:

[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Quebec+Liberal+leader+Philippe+C... Liberal leader Philippe Couillard divulges his financial holdings[/url]

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During the l990s, Couillard deposited a total of $600,000 in a Royal Bank branch in Jersey in the Channel Islands. This is income he earned while practising as a neurosurgeon in Saudi Arabia from 1992 to 1996. But the Liberal leader said that money now belongs to a former spouse as part of a separation settlement.

ETA: You're right though, in that they don't identify it as a tax haven and haven't yet (I don't think) reported the reaction from the PQ and others.

 

deertaq

Hopefully, the separatists win and win big.

Unionist

Françoise David is shining this evening, as usual - even better than last time, I think. And here's what Le Devoir's facebook poll of 1060 respondents said about the March 20 debate:

Yeah yeah, I know, not scientific at all, only counts people who "liked" Le Devoir's fb page etc. I just really really want it to be true!

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

This is mildly amusing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5djIanB7LT8

I didn't check the comments because I'm sure most would be complete shit.

lagatta

Yes, the comments are the usual angryphone shit. Where do these people come from? I know so many anglophones who have moved here and are delighted to be in Montréal, though of course they have a lot of criticisms, like everyone else.

Unionist

The comments are shit, but so is the "amusing" video. Sorry for not finding it funny. Ridiculing Marois's English? Ha Ha.

 

lagatta

I agree. I didn't find it funny at all. Ridiculising people who have trouble with second languages, or "accents", is in very poor taste.

A bizarre thing on the trash ta pancarte site is graffiti turning Andrès Fontecilla into Hitler. That is just ignorant; he was the son of Chilean refugees who fled latter-day fascists.

Unionist

And speaking of language, Couillard somehow got squeezed into praising bilingualism. Watch the PQ go rabid with that for the next couple of days.

 

scott16

can someone who watched the debate last night rank how the leaders did? Who won or lost?

Matthieu

Unionist wrote:

And speaking of language, Couillard somehow got squeezed into praising bilingualism. Watch the PQ go rabid with that for the next couple of days.

 

 

What he said in the debate is that every manual worker in a factory should have a workable mastery of English, just in case an English-speaking client should walk in and ask the worker a question.

Basically, he just told francophones to "Speak White"!

I never imagined the Liberals to go that low (at least, after the 50s). 

Unionist

I agree, Matthieu. The best thing about Loi 101 was instituting French as the language of the workplace - especially in "blue-collar" occupations. Couillard's example will sound to many unilingual francophones as a return to the days of class and national inferiority. He deserves to lose the election just for that. I can't believe he doesn't just publicly apologize, claim he misspoke, whatever.

Krago

What were Couillard's exact words?

Stockholm

I think that 100% of francophones in Canada ought to be fluent in English and that 100% of anglophones in Canada ought to be fluent in French. There can never be too much bilingualism, or trilingualism or quadralingualism - the more languages we all speak, the better!!!

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Canada should be like Switzerland linguistically.....AND in foreign policy.

DaveW

You don't seem to know Switz too well; I worked there for 15 years. There are no publicly funded German schools in French cantons, or vice versa. Cantons are unilingual in Canadian terms. The Geneva students I met said they all had high school German but basically retained nothing. Sound familiar?

Many urban legends about Europe's alleged widespread multilingualism. Worth checking the facts.

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DaveW wrote:

You don't seem to know Switz too well; I worked there for 15 years. There are no publicly funded German schools in French cantons, or vice versa. Cantons are unilingual in Canadian terms. The Geneva students I met said they all had high school German but basically retained nothing. Sound familiar?

Many urban legends about Europe's alleged widespread multilingualism. Worth checking the facts.

My mistake.

I was always under the assumption that Switzerland had 3 official languages....Mind you,Europeans are generally bilingual.

I still think this country should be neutral like the Swiss.

lagatta

Yes, at one point I had a young Swiss student boarding with me, and when he was reading Hermann Hesse in French, I said "but don't you also read German"? Yes, of course he'd studied it, but it was like a young anglophone or francophone here, he wasn't fluent in the other official languages. As well as French of course, spoke Spanish most of all, and some English.

I think Belgium is even more "unilingual" in that sense. Many communes do not provide services in the other official language. I was staying overnight in Brussels with some Flemish colleagues, before taking my plane back home (they spoke to me in English) and when we went to the station for me to buy my local railway ticket to the airport, one of them said he would do it as I didn't speak much Dutch. Of course I started to speak to the ticket seller in French - this fellow didn't even thinking of that, although I was over there to interpret at a conference.

Brussels is an odd and contentious case as it is supposed to be in a Flemish region, but the de facto majority language is French. However, people did come up to me a couple of times and as me for directions in Dutch. I was a bit stymied as I do have enough knowledge of Dutch to understand what they were asking, but couldn't give an intelligent answer in that language. It probably would have come out in German, which has been a big no-no since the war (though obviously there were Nazi collaborators in both Belgium and the Netherlands).

DaveW

yes, Switz has four official languages, but the clearly dominant language is German ; those lawmakers in the federal capital often speak a "francais fédéral" (sound familiar?) but in other professions, local languages only learned and retained...

not to say there are not many many bilingual, or more, individual Swiss, but it is not the rule, not the multilingual masses as imagined so often

As sociolinguist Joshua Fischman of Yeshiva University documents,when several languges interface the LWC, or language of wider communication, imposes itself as a lingua franca.

In Canada broadly that is English; within that federal unit, the goal of the PQ and other nationalists since the 1960s has been to ensure that French is the LWC at least in Quebec. Before the 1960s, it was not.

A complicated issue and many points of view, most of them pretty superficial.

lagatta

There is an interesting "grilling" of Françoise David by journalists at the lapresse.ca site under http://www.lapresse.ca/videos/ but I don't know how to copy or "pin" a specific video (while watching it, I just see lapresse.ca as my browser address). Does anyone know how to do this?

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I clicked the link you provided and I'm watching it right now.

cco

You can't embed it, but if you link http://www.lapresse.ca/videos/actualites/201403/26/46-1-sur-le-gril-francoise-david.php/4de8f468363b47ada04e3ae58fa6690d, it should take you directly to the video. Let me know if it doesn't work.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture
lagatta

Xelandre, je t'ai envoyé un message privé. Pas de problème. Et ce que ta chatte d'Espagne est belle!

Xelandre Xelandre's picture

(effacé) Merci!

Brachina

http://crystalgaze2.blogspot.ca/2014/03/stealing-democracy-part-xii-more...

 

 The green party candiate is not allowed to vote in an election in which this person is running! I hope thier is a class action lawsuit this is repugnet!

Unionist

Brachina wrote:

 The green party candiate is not allowed to vote in an election in which this person is running! I hope thier is a class action lawsuit this is repugnet!

It's a little more complicated than that:

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-votes-2014/quebec-green-pa... Green Party candidate told he's not eligible to vote[/url]

I'm not sure how you (or the blogger you quoted) can draw any conclusions without knowing exactly what the facts are or exactly what the law says...

In any event, I'd be way more excited if they told someone they could vote, but couldn't run for office. Then I'd call on my class to take action!

 

DaveW

PQ desperately tries to gain traction with charter in final week,

with Drainville denouncing the "open bar" of religious accommodation:

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2014/03/30/le-pq-brandit-la-charte-cont...

 

meanwhile, 308 polling site has most likely outcome Libs 65 seats-PQ 55

DaveW

Gawd,

now nutcake Marois wants Couillard to go back and denounce the Saudis;

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/elections-quebec-2014/201403/30/01-475...

La chef péquiste parlait des gens qui, comme M. Couillard, choisissent de travailler en Arabie saoudite. «J'espère que jamais ils ne cautionneront de tel système, mais peuvent-ils au moins le dénoncer... ce qui ne fut pas le cas de M. Couillard. J'avais une citation, je ne l'ai pas devant moi maintenant, que lorsqu'il a été interrogé à son retour d'Arabie saoudite ou sur l'expérience qu'il y avait vécue, si je ne m'abuse, c'est qu'il a dit à ce moment : écoutez, il y a des façons différentes de faire, des cultures différentes.»

«Moi, je crois qu'il faut dénoncer, a-t-elle poursuivi. Quand on dit qu'on va lui passer sur le corps pour qu'il adopte une charte des valeurs québécoises, il me semble que c'est deux poids deux mesures. Il devrait autant dénoncer ce qui se passe en Arabie saoudite, qui met en cause les droits des femmes et de beaucoup d'autres personnes qui se distinguent dans cette société.»

cco

Anyone going to watch Couillard and Marois on TLMEP tonight? (Marois was originally going to be on next week, but Radio-Canada rescheduled her after protests from the Liberals.)

DaveW

Rabble laff track, please,

for the Globe conventional-wisdom roundup :

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/do-you-think-quebecs-liberal...

Brachina
pookie

Marois brings out the big guns - promises to invoke section 33 of the Charter (notwithstanding) to protect the Charter of 
Vaues.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/marois-would-invoke-notwithstanding-claus...

DaveW

she is desperate; playing any and every card available, pulling this lever and that ...

one week till we know, but I have my own guess of the results now

DaveW

nutty-sounding poll results favour CAQ, suddenly: and btw, they paid for them ...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/new-quebec-poll-points-to-shift-among-francophone-voters/article17736217/#dashboard/follows/

The poll also found that Mr. Legault’s image had significantly improved since last week’s debate. At the outset of the campaign the PQ struggled after the arrival of media magnate Pierre Karl Péladeau as a star candidate for the PQ. The vote quickly polarized, boosting support for the Liberals who hammered away at the threat the PQ represented for the holding of another referendum on sovereignty. “However, things have changed in a remarkable way since the debate,” the CAQ stated in its analysis.

Francophone voters are split three ways when asked which leader has conducted the best campaign, with Liberal Leader Philippe Couillard holding a slight lead over Mr. Legault and the PQ’s Pauline Marois.

“The increase in support for the CAQ observed in this poll appear credible but like all shifts in public opinion will need to be corroborated by other measures over the coming days,” the CAQ stated in its analysis of the poll.

sherpa-finn

Uh-oh. This could be a biggie. Radio-Canada now breaking news that Claude Blanchet had scammed the Qc election finance laws to support his spouse, the indomitable Mme. Marois.

Geez, if I'd only known that before I had gone to vote yesterday... then again, meh.

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ETA: Here now is the link to the story. http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2014/03/31/002-pauline-marois-claude-blanchet-parti-quebecois.shtml

Apparently Blanchet was using his contacts in Qc engineering firms to solicit donations for Marois' leadership campaign some years back... and promising favoured access in return. At least one of the 'contributors' has admitted that he used the 'straw-man' donor trick to get around individual donation limits.

bekayne

DaveW wrote:

nutty-sounding poll results favour CAQ, suddenly: and btw, they paid for them ...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/new-quebec-poll-points-to-shift-among-francophone-voters/article17736217/#dashboard/follows/

The poll also found that Mr. Legault’s image had significantly improved since last week’s debate. At the outset of the campaign the PQ struggled after the arrival of media magnate Pierre Karl Péladeau as a star candidate for the PQ. The vote quickly polarized, boosting support for the Liberals who hammered away at the threat the PQ represented for the holding of another referendum on sovereignty. “However, things have changed in a remarkable way since the debate,” the CAQ stated in its analysis.

Francophone voters are split three ways when asked which leader has conducted the best campaign, with Liberal Leader Philippe Couillard holding a slight lead over Mr. Legault and the PQ’s Pauline Marois.

“The increase in support for the CAQ observed in this poll appear credible but like all shifts in public opinion will need to be corroborated by other measures over the coming days,” the CAQ stated in its analysis of the poll.

Compared to the last CROP poll (francophones):

PQ down 7

Lib down 1

CAQ up 10

bekayne

sherpa-finn wrote:

Uh-oh. This could be a biggie. Radio-Canada now breaking news that Claude Blanchet had scammed the Qc election finance laws to support his spouse, the indomitable Mme. Marois.

Geez, if I'd only known that before I had gone to vote yesterday... then again, meh.

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ETA: Here now is the link to the story. http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2014/03/31/002-pauline-marois-claude-blanchet-parti-quebecois.shtml

Apparently Blanchet was using his contacts in Qc engineering firms to solicit donations for Marois' leadership campaign some years back... and promising favoured access in return. At least one of the 'contributors' has admitted that he used the 'straw-man' donor trick to get around individual donation limits.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Blanchet+solicited+from+engineering+firm+...

DaveW

PQ in a freefall? Oh joy!

swallow

Interesting post - even more interesting is the response from QS candidate in Notre-Dame-de-Grace, Annick Desjardins: 

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Cher Daniel,
Moi aussi, quand j’ai fait la boussole électorale, je me suis située dans ce cadran, à gauche à la fois sur l’axe identitaire et sur l’axe socio-économique. Et pourtant, je suis candidate pour Québec solidaire dans NDG.
Nous partageons entièrement cette idée que la souveraineté ne doit servir qu’à atteindre un idéal, et que cette souveraineté peut prendre différentes formes. La démarche inclusive et démocratique que propose QS vise exactement cet idéal, et pas autre chose d’identitaire ou mû par un nationalisme ethnique malsain. Il ne faut pas oublier que le projet de QS va de pair avec la promesse d’une réforme du mode de scrutin pour instaurer la représentation proportionnelle, afin de mieux refléter les intérêts minoritaires.
Si, dans la campagne actuelle, la position de mon parti est présentée de façon plus polarisée, c’est que dans un monde à 140 caractères et aux débats formatés aux 2 minutes, il est très difficile de faire les nuances qui s’imposent, alors nous sommes forcés de nous définir (de façon trop simpliste, j’en conviens) pour éviter de se faire définir (de façon trop simpliste également).
La non-position de la CAQ sur la question nationale ne l’a pas servie – ignorer cet enjeu n’est pas une solution.
Si vous avez la chance de m’entendre dans un débat, vous verrez que j’essaie toujours de présenter la vision souverainiste de QS qui est vraiment celle d’un idéal démocratique pour plus de participation citoyenne à la prise de décisions.
J’espère que vous aurez envie de voter pour une candidate qui est d’accord avec vous.
Au plaisir,
Annick Desjardins

lagatta

I voted today in advance poll; as I was at the founding conference of QS (Judy R and other people well-known to rabble were in attendance) it would have been very strange if I'd voted for anyone else).

Dave, much as I hate the recent incarnation of the PQ, with their idiotic dress codes and now, nosense about swimming pools in private condos, I am not so happy about them being in free-fall. We remember the arrogance and systemic corruption of the Quebec Liberal party, with its ties to criminal organisations (are we allowed to write that?)

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I'm more concerned with CAQ gaining ground.

DaveW

I see your point, but repeatedly I have had to distinguish this PQ from what I grew up with;

Marois has led it into an awful dead-end, ethnic scapegoating included, and deserves a big push-back

lagatta

These three parties, which are rightwing in different ways, gaining ground is all very disturbing.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I never felt more nauseated by an electoral campaign....With maybe the Tory majority topping the list.

cco

lagatta wrote:

Dave, much as I hate the recent incarnation of the PQ, with their idiotic dress codes and now, nosense about swimming pools in private condos, I am not so happy about them being in free-fall. We remember the arrogance and systemic corruption of the Quebec Liberal party, with its ties to criminal organisations (are we allowed to write that?)

From your lips to the electorate's ears, lagatta.

sherpa-finn

A thoughtful piece in La Presse today by Vincent Marissal on the evolution of the PQ into a party focused (fixated?) on identity politics.

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/201403/31/01-4752879-le-choc-la-charge-la-charte.php

Interesting but kind of sad, too.

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