Quebec polls and parties 2014

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Circumcision is not necessarily religious.

I'm from an Anglican family and was circumcised by advice of the doctor for 'hygenic' reasons.

I think Mailloux is just a rabid bigot playing to a Front National base.

sherpa-finn

Since goaltender Carey Price left his first post-Olympic practice after feeling a twinge in his right leg – reaggravating a long-standing injury he reportedly tweaked at the Sochi Games – the Habs have gone 3-4-1.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/habs-stagger-on-without-price/article17491462/

Not that I care two hoots about the NHL, but its the best I could do at short notice. I was scrambling to find any Montreal-based story that would break the momentum on the circumsicion discussion that seems to have broken out in this thread.  

Unionist

I reported on a racist shit named Mailloux. Now we're debating whether circumcision is a good idea or not? Maybe we should debate whether there's a kosher tax or not? Sheesh.

Stockholm

From what i have read the vast majority of francophone Quebecers still get baptized in a church - even though they are otherwise totally unreligious - according to the racist pig running for the PQ in Gouin - the vast majority of Quebecers have been "raped" (sic.)

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lagatta

Several of Mailloux's signs have been defaced with "xénophobe". The PQ signs are on a pale blue background, so they are easy to alter. and the "IS" at the end of "québécois" is easy to change to an r to read Parti Québécor.

lagatta

The pancarte of Mme Marois in a very chic hijab was actually photoshopped by local artist Marina Totino:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-votes-2014/pauline-marois-...

Of course, there are a lot of commenters after the story to remind everyone that anglos are every bit as capable of bigoted, racist comments as the most blinkered of blueshirted nationaleux et nationaleuses.

lagatta

The pancarte of Mme Marois in a very chic hijab was actually photoshopped by local artist Marina Totino:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-votes-2014/pauline-marois-...

Of course, there are a lot of commenters after the story to remind everyone that anglos are every bit as capable of bigoted, racist comments as the most blinkered of blueshirted nationaleux et nationaleuses.

Stockholm

alan smithee wrote:

New poll...Same results

 

http://www.leger360.com/admin/upload/publi_pdf/20140315FR.pdf

Compared to the last Leger the Libs are gaining at the expense of CAQ. That is very significant

lagatta

Québec solidaire seems to have gained a bit. Hope we pick up at least a seat or two.

CAQ seems to be dying, like the ADQ.

CanadaOrangeCat

Stockholm said: "...since the sovereignty movement has morphed into being all about xenophobia (those are the people the PQ has managed to win back from CAQ with a measure of Muslim-baiting...)".

B.S.

There are sovereignists who do not want anything to do with that. Plenty of nationalists are not like that either.

lagatta

Yes, there is a whole party that wants nothing to do with that. And I'd describe disgruntled CAQistes opting for the PQ more as old fashioned nationalists (à la Union nationale) than sovereignists.

cco

lagatta wrote:

The pancarte of Mme Marois in a very chic hijab was actually photoshopped by local artist Marina Totino:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-votes-2014/pauline-marois-...

Of course, there are a lot of commenters after the story to remind everyone that anglos are every bit as capable of bigoted, racist comments as the most blinkered of blueshirted nationaleux et nationaleuses.

I block CBC's comments (and those on many other sites) with a lovely little style sheet called shutup.css. It's done wonders for my blood pressure.

It does seem to me, intentional or not, that there's a rather unpleasant undertone to photoshopping a hijab onto a woman who doesn't wear one and then telling her how "beautiful" she looks in it.

Xelandre Xelandre's picture

CAQ seems to be dying, like the ADQ.

Legault me fait penser au mononc' du party de famille avec un p'tit coup dans le nez, et qui veut partager avec tous et chacun ses "idées". On le laisse parler par politesse, tout en cherchant un prétexte urgent pour quitter la pièce.

 

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Xelandre wrote:

CAQ seems to be dying, like the ADQ.

Legault me fait penser au mononc' du party de famille avec un p'tit coup dans le nez, et qui veut partager avec tous et chacun ses "idées". On le laisse parler par politesse, tout en cherchant un prétexte urgent pour quitter la pièce.

 

lol

Unionist

Depuis sa dernière sortie anti-syndicale, je ne le laisserais plus parler par politesse - je le câlisserais dehors par force.

 

CanadaOrangeCat

The PQ still seems to have the Quebec union movement onside. PKP will be able to satisfy his blood lust. The unions better make sure they are not trapped in there. Ultra-nationalists like PKP do not negotiate with unions. The union can say it is politically neutral, it can even say it will help. The job of the ultranationalist is to slash the unions throats. There is considerable historical precedent for this.

If the CAQs are heading for the Liberals and the Quebec union voters are less than enthusiastic about the PQ, who knows what could happen? The only party that isn't going to screw the unions seems to be QS. They are defacing the PQ signs here in Laurier-Dorion to Parti Quebecor, and someone wrote something really rude on one sign. But I had to laugh.

lagatta

I hope you mean "on" or "one" when you say "they", as there is no proof it is QS members defacing the PQ signs.

The funny thing is how easy those signs are to deface.

PQ candidate Céré is a turncoat - he worked for many years in defence of unemployed workers.

Unionist

CanadaOrangeCat wrote:

The PQ still seems to have the Quebec union movement onside.

What exactly is your evidence for that statement?

[url=http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/strong-reaction-from-csn-over-peladeau-s-bid-... reaction from CSN over Peladeau's bid[/url]

Likewise for the FTQ, as I reported earlier.

This doesn't mean the unions will ever support the PLQ or CAQ (thank God). Nor does it mean they have stopped supporting sovereignty. But they have refused in various past elections to endorse any particular party, and I think that's the best they can do this time.

 

CanadaOrangeCat

No I wouldnt say the QS were defacing the signs. They seem like nice people, and they are the only ones who knocked on my door so far. The signs from all the parties by the way look really expensive compared to the fare I am used to seeing in Federal and Ontario elections. Full colour process.

 

I read that the unions were still with the PQ in the Journal. It's pretty opinionated stuff, so I did qualify it. If I were in a union I would want to run like hell from PKP, but I am not, so what do I know.

Unionist

How about quoting what Le Journal said?

lagatta

Le Journal has also been doing front pages that don't even mention the elections...

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

The Journal is owned by Péladeau...I wouldn't put much into anything they publish regarding this election.

 

Btw,here's a nice scripted moment from CAQ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnbfCYLi5mI

This guy is such a transparently phoney mofo.

 

DaveW

All the French papers, led by La Presse and Le Devoir highlight Saturday the new possibility of substantial Liberal gains,

Devoir headlining Leger poll results (see also Globe) and Presse featuring op-ed feature on chances of Liberal majority

What a difference a week makes...

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lagatta wrote:

Le Journal has also been doing front pages that don't even mention the elections...

Like the one from Saturday, showing a "map" of the places where "recorded sexual offenders" reside around Montréal?

Sickening. I wouldn't publish this kind of cover unless I wanted to foster a lynch mob mentality. I can think of a few other cases, fortunately I fortunately don't come in contact with it too often. I leaf through it occasionally when I forget to bring along a book.

I don't remember experiencing in the days of papa Péladeau the type of deep revulsion I now regularly feel.

I do also notice in the text between the blood and sports photos comments supporting in a "matter-of-fact tone" the oil and resources exploitation frenzy.

lagatta

The rightwing stuff is new (Pierre-Karl). Pierre Sr put out an old-style lurid tabloid with Sexe Sang Sport et Scandale. It wasn't particularly rightwing, and they had some very good labour reporters. They weren't comparable to the Sun either in the UK or Toronto (and the offspring of the latter).

Unionist

Sorry to interrupt the conversation about the Journal, but my question was where CanadaOrangeCat had read that "the PQ still seems to have the Quebec union movement onside". COC says, "in Le Journal".

Was this an impression, a story, a reader's comment, what?

It's important, because I have seen nothing to that effect whatsoever - other than those two washed-up ex-CSN heads who have nothing better to do in life but make cheap comments from the sidelines. But I'm not denying it. If I can track it down, I'll at least know where some action can be taken.

 

CanadaOrangeCat

Sorry but I didnt bring the edition home from the restaurant where I read it. It was a letter to the editor as I recall where he said he was a social democrat and union member, as as far as he knew all his union buddies were staying with the PQ, and PKP was welcome as far as they were concerned.

In the same vein Bob Rae pipes up with any union member who votes for PKP is like a chicken voting for col. sanders, and Marois tells him to mind his own business. The PQ still wants us to believe it is a social democratic and union-friendly party.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I'm no fan of Bob Rae but his chicken comment is spot on.

felixr
DaveW

It is becoming more what French PoliSci calls a "parti attrappe-tout" or catch-all party, the way the US Dems are, taking anybody pretty much, over the broad centre left and right

bekayne

"Le shove"

Marois

DaveW

for the first time, 308 lists one scenario for a Liberal majority; 2/3 options remain PQ wins, both minority and majority govts., but basically too close to call...

http://www.threehundredeight.com/

 I am more and more thinking B.C. 2013 ... where everybody knew in advance who would win, until they didn't, eh, Brian Topp?

 

DaveW

Marois has made a huge gaffe, and I do not think she can right it;

she really is a PQ insider/careerist who stumbled into the  leadership only when everyone else was excluded or exhausted, on her second attempt; no stature, really, and absolutely not a political thinker of any kind,

 hard not to dislike her,  I just want her to go away, perhaps with Peladeau, ha

DaveW
lagatta

There is a serious problem - the petition is only in English. And I accessed it from the French-language version of change.org, and clicked on French to check on whether there was a French-language version. Nope. Looks like Mailloux isn't the only bigot.

bookpleasures

Does anyone know where I can find information concerning the Quebec Liberal bounce that is not considered in the polls. I know that in every Quebec election there is a percentage of voters that will not admit they vote Liberal and this ends up giving the Liberal Provincial party more votes than the polls shown.

bookpleasures

286- petition not in French.  You are absolutely right. I have now notified the people that started this petition to make the correction asp.

DaveW

bookpleasures wrote:

I know that in every Quebec election there is a percentage of voters that will not admit they vote Liberal and this ends up giving the Liberal Provincial party more votes than the polls shown.

that certainly happened in 2012, when the best and most detailed survery results foresaw QLibs winning 39 seats, and they ended up with 51... Lib voters traditionally more circumspect in polling;

check the 308 site above, there may be some background there

lagatta

bookpleasures, thanks. I had no idea how to do that without signing the petition.

I don't want to get involved with the petition in any way, for the obvious reason that I'm volunteering for another candidate. It could look like an underhanded electoral manoeuvre.

I think Ms Mailloux will cut her own throat, but of course people have every right to start or sign a petition.

The fact that the petition is only in English also means that there are comments from the inevitable anglos who feel hard done by.

bekayne

bookpleasures wrote:

Does anyone know where I can find information concerning the Quebec Liberal bounce that is not considered in the polls. I know that in every Quebec election there is a percentage of voters that will not admit they vote Liberal and this ends up giving the Liberal Provincial party more votes than the polls shown.

It's voter turnout. PQ more popular among demographic groups with lower voter turnout.

DaveW

maybe less so in 2014, now that its base voters are ageing and more rural

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

The biggest tragedy is that there are alot of people who still believe the PQ is left-leaning...Even socialist Surprised

I fear a PQ majority.

David Young

alan smithee wrote:

The biggest tragedy is that there are alot of people who still believe the PQ is left-leaning...Even socialist Surprised

I fear a PQ majority.

If the C.A.Q. vote continues to collapse, I wouldn't bet on a P.Q. majority.

It looks to me like the Liberals and P.Q. could get around 55 seats each, leaving the remaining 15 for C.A.Q. and Q.S.

Imagine the C.A.Q. with 11-12 seats holding the balance of power!

 

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Yeah...any which way you slice this election,it's bad news.

lagatta

It is almost as depressing as this fucking winter. Imagine, two years ago I was traipsing around after young students in clement weather, wearing normal human clothing... Not all these layers of ugly crap.

Stockholm

The latest CROP poll has the PLQ jumping into a 3% lead over the PQ 39-36 with the CAQ collapsing to 13% and QS up to 10% - looks like Peladeau has turned into a big fiasco for the PQ

 

http://pdf.cyberpresse.ca/lenouvelliste/UNE/grande.jpg

 

Policywonk

David Young wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

The biggest tragedy is that there are alot of people who still believe the PQ is left-leaning...Even socialist Surprised

I fear a PQ majority.

If the C.A.Q. vote continues to collapse, I wouldn't bet on a P.Q. majority.

It looks to me like the Liberals and P.Q. could get around 55 seats each, leaving the remaining 15 for C.A.Q. and Q.S.

Imagine the C.A.Q. with 11-12 seats holding the balance of power!

Given the latest poll, if the QS vote is concentrated in the right places and the CAQ vote is not, QS could end up with more seats than CAQ, sort of like the 1993 Federal Election. QS holding the balance of power in a PLQ minority government would be interesting, and the PLQ seems to have the momentum in the polls.

DaveW

Stockholm wrote:

The latest CROP poll has the PLQ jumping into a 3% lead over the PQ 39-36 with the CAQ collapsing to 13% and QS up to 10% - looks like Peladeau has turned into a big fiasco for the PQ

http://pdf.cyberpresse.ca/lenouvelliste/UNE/grande.jpg

yes, in the short term the PKP move  has been very bad, but over the longer term the PQ is simply returning to its base vote;

http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/elections-quebec-2014/201403/17/01-474...

Les mouvements par rapport à février paraissent importants, mais il faut se rappeler le contexte, relève le sondeur. En février, le gouvernement Marois multipliait les annonces populaires et la commission parlementaire sur le projet de loi 60 maintenait la Charte de la laïcité dans les bulletins d'information. Depuis, le tsunami causé par l'arrivée de Pierre Karl Péladeau a remis la souveraineté au centre du débat, ajoute M. Rivest.

[......]

if you go to the top of this thread, you will see the link to the previous thread I started on Labour Day weekend 2013, when the big news (in La Presse, too) was the 40-29 lead that new leader Couillard 's Libs held over the deeply unpopular PQ of Marois ...

following that low point, Marois readjusted in fall 2013, focused heavily on the aspiring French middle class, dumped the Left and its issues, broadly speaking, and in part with the charter targeted the Montreal periphery's suburbanites...

the average analyst says it was all charter charter charter, but I think that is superficial; why would that effect have vanished so quickly?

rather, she did a U-turn on oil development and oil transport, agreed to Energy East, subsidized the big cement plant in the Gaspe, brought in a sober (relative to Ontario) budget with a $2.5 billion deficit (ON = $10 billion), made many subsidy announcement for small businesses and municipal services, and all this pleased the pragmatic French middle class, which the PQ has to hold on to, in its historic slide downward

But if you are going to play that game, you cannot out-middle class the Liberals, who are masters of that domain -- hence the return of the metronome to the PLQ

Prediction: a narrow PLQ majority, although a minority (60 seats or so ) cannot be excluded for anyone.

 

lagatta

I most certainly don't want to fall victim to false hopes, but QS winning more seats than CAQ would send an important signal.

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