St-Henri Business Owners Whine About Increasing Rents

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St-Henri Business Owners Whine About Increasing Rents

It seems gentrification has finally found its way to businesses.

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/st-henri-business-owners-deflated-by-rising-r...

They want rents to be capped. That's rich since tenants of St-Henri have seen their rent go up 300% in the past 20 years.

 

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Some smaller local business owners, however, say the new higher rents are pushing them out.

I guess that's the "whining".

Good news:  Starbucks won't "whine".

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Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Some smaller local business owners, however, say the new higher rents are pushing them out.

I guess that's the "whining".

Good news:  Starbucks won't "whine".

Sauve would like to see some regulation of commercial rents, but concedes it's a complex issue.

The point is that is too goddamned bad.

Montréal has had a housing crisis since the end of the 90's. Thanks to gentrification.

If businesses get a rent cap,the residents of St-Henri deserve the same.

They want a Yuppie paradise,they csan fucking pay for it.

6079_Smith_W

alan smithee wrote:

It seems gentrification has finally found its way to businesses.

Finally?

On what planet has that not always been the case? Gentrification generally starts around a main commercial street. And whom do you think gets it first but the shops that were there to begin with (those that don't wind up getting bulldozed).

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/cms/binary/10895846.jpg?size=620x400s

Thing is, even in the case of a mom and pop which has been there forever, you still wind up getting ground by taxes "business improvement" and a hundred other pressures to turn a neighbourhood into a row of restaurants and lawyers' offices.

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6079_Smith_W wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

It seems gentrification has finally found its way to businesses.

Finally?

On what planet has that not always been the case? Gentrification generally starts around a main commercial street. And whom do you think gets it first but the shops that were there to begin with (those that don't wind up getting bulldozed).

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/cms/binary/10895846.jpg?size=620x400s

Thing is, even in the case of a mom and pop which has been there forever, you still wind up getting ground by taxes "business improvement" and a hundred other pressures to turn a neighbourhood into a row of restaurants and lawyers' offices.

Well,in this city almost every neighbourhood has been gentrified and the ones who pay for it are the tenants of those neighbourhoods.

Whether it's St-Henri,Point St-Charles,Verdun,NDG,etc...They turned the old neighbourhood of Griffontown into a giant condo...Nevermind the Plateau.

They're even gentrifying fucking LaSalle which is nowhere near downtown,

It's a huge problem that tenants,like myself,have to learn to live with..These businesses should have to bite the bullet as well.

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It's a huge problem that tenants,like myself,have to learn to live with..These businesses should have to bite the bullet as well.

Without rent controls, those small businesses probably will have to bite the bullet.

With rent controls. some numbered corporation that owns the property and collects their rent would have to bite the bullet.

Curiously, you'd rather see Mom & Pop get the comeuppance.

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Mr. Magoo wrote:

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It's a huge problem that tenants,like myself,have to learn to live with..These businesses should have to bite the bullet as well.

Without rent controls, those small businesses probably will have to bite the bullet.

With rent controls. some numbered corporation that owns the property and collects their rent would have to bite the bullet.

Curiously, you'd rather see Mom & Pop get the comeuppance.

These are not 'Mom & Pop' businesses. They want rent control which I say YES...But rent control should be a priority for tenants as well.

No rent control for tenants,no rent control for businesses...End point.

6079_Smith_W

I think we have had some experience with high rent and low vacancy rates here on the prairies.

As for "biting the bullet", is a cap a good idea or not? If it is then lobby for an across the board one.

If this is about taking grim pleasure in seeing businesses suffer, I am afraid I don't get it - the cause for celebration, or how it helps anyone else affected by it to have a boarded up mainstreet.

We just lost two of our last used book stores to rent increase and eviction, and the only alternative political bookstore in town had to move because they were located on the same property as that demolition job I posted upthread.

I expect those who want to wipe out the old neighbourhoods and have nothing better to do than flip properties would love tthem to go bankrupt. As for anyone trying to deal with it and survive, it's not funny.

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Cross posted with you Alan. Glad we agree. I know there are plenty of mercenaries who move into neighbourhoods, and on that I also agree.  But the fact is, when you have a whole part of town which hasn't had a grocery store for decades, as was the case here one appreciates that those stores are needed too. Otherwise it is a taxi to the box stores in the suburbs, which helps no one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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6079_Smith_W wrote:

I think we have had some experience with high rent and low vacancy rates here on the prairies.

As for "biting the bullet", is a cap a good idea or not? If it is then lobby for an across the board one.

If this is about taking grim pleasure in seeing businesses suffer, I am afraid I don't get it - the cause for celebration, or how it helps anyone else affected by it to have a boarded up mainstreet.

We just lost two of our last used book stores to rent increase and eviction, and the only alternative political bookstore in town had to move because they were located on the same property as that demolition job I posted upthread.

I expect those who want to wipe out the old neighbourhoods and have nothing better to do than flip properties would love that "just go bankrupt" song. As for anyone trying to deal with it and survive, it's not funny.

 

 

 

 

I don't take delight for their failures but they played a role in turning a cheap and affordable area into a high end Yuppie playground.

How many people have been pushed out of the area? I don't recognize this neighbourhood anymore.

Rent control has been a big issue here for years.

Again,rent control for all or fuck you. IMHO,of course.

6079_Smith_W

In Regina it is property taxes. The Tartan Curling club just saw its taxes triple in the past few years. Gotta pay for that stadium, after all.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/regina-curling-clubs-get-2-ye...

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6079_Smith_W wrote:

In Regina it is property taxes. The Tartan Curling club just saw its taxes triple in the past few years. Gotta pay for that stadium, after all.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/regina-curling-clubs-get-2-ye...

A Curling Club..Who should pay?....Oh my,surprise,it's the tax payers.

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These are not 'Mom & Pop' businesses.

Ah, OK.  Nameless, faceless chains.  Then let them be replaced by larger nameless, faceless chains who can pay.  The whining will stop once they're all Walmarts.

Todrick of Chat...

Taxes are good, let all those urban types pay their fair share. 

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Mr. Magoo wrote:

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These are not 'Mom & Pop' businesses.

Ah, OK.  Nameless, faceless chains.  Then let them be replaced by larger nameless, faceless chains who can pay.  The whining will stop once they're all Walmarts.

You apparently don't get my point.

They want rent control..WE (tenants) have been asking for it for over 15 years.

Why should businesses have rent control?

Ah,OK....Business first and everyone else can go fuck themselves...I see. Let's all bow down to the 'job creaters,

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6079_Smith_W wrote:

 Why shouldn't they pay for it?

 

 

I agree.

6079_Smith_W

alan smithee wrote:

A Curling Club..Who should pay?....Oh my,surprise,it's the tax payers.

Yes, I'm sure they'd be better off with their asses holding down stadium seats and watching the real athletes. My only complaint is that the swimming club which also applied did not get the exemption.

After all, it is the taxpayers - or more accurately, the voters - who made the decisions (including a referendum) that ended with that tax hike. Why shouldn't they pay for it?

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And as for "business first", if they can lobby the city then perheps tenants should  join forces. Is there some reason why they are enemies here? Have they said you shouldn't get the same treatment?

 

 

 

 

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You apparently don't get my point.

They want rent control..WE (tenants) have been asking for it for over 15 years.

So you expect them to not "whine" for it if you don't have it too?

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Why should businesses have rent control?

Depends how you feel about those businesses, I guess.

As Smith's example noted, independent bookstores have been increasingly replaced by Chapters/Indigo chain stores.  If you don't really care then no problem.  If whoever replaces these "whiners" is at least no worse, then no problem.

"The market" is a terrible, horrible, corrrupt thing.  Until you're selling your used bike on Kajiji and get offers of $25, $40 and $200 dollars -- in which case the market's wisdom is self-evident, yes?

 

 

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Mr. Magoo wrote:

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You apparently don't get my point.

They want rent control..WE (tenants) have been asking for it for over 15 years.

So you expect them to not "whine" for it if you don't have it too?

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Why should businesses have rent control?

Depends how you feel about those businesses, I guess.

As Smith's example noted, independent bookstores have been increasingly replaced by Chapters/Indigo chain stores.  If you don't really care then no problem.  If whoever replaces these "whiners" is at least no worse, then no problem.

"The market" is a terrible, horrible, corrrupt thing.  Until you're selling your used bike on Kajiji and get offers of $25, $40 and $200 dollars -- in which case the market's wisdom is self-evident, yes?

 

 

Again,my point is that these businesses are whining but they're going to get what they want.

Meanwhile,tenants have been asking for the same thing for years and the response is non-existant.

6079_Smith_W

alan smithee wrote:

Again,my point is that these businesses are whining but they're going to get what they want.

Are they?

Doesn't say so in the story, and I certainly know it hasn't happened here, or most places where rents have skyrocketed and tenants have been evicted in favour of parking lots.

I see lots of businesses, big and small, closing down even though we are supposedly in a boom.

 

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let all those urban types pay their fair share.

Not sure what this even means.  We're talking about property taxes -- i.e. municipal taxes -- in Montreal.  As the second largest city in Canada, I would expect that anyone in Montreal is an "urban type".  And if the citizens of Montreal aren't paying their fair share in Montreal municipal taxes then it's not clear who'd be paying the rest.