Student strike #9 -- jusqu'à la victoire

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Boom Boom, to answer your question above, a few folks might be gathering at 2 pm at the Place des Festivals. Or not. :)

Je désobéis à la loi 78!

 

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Apparently there are 'solidarity with the Quebec students' demos  in New York, Paris, and Vancouver today.

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Vancouver, Coast Salish Territories


Rally in Solidarity with Quebec Students

4:00pm

Tuesday May 22 2012
Venue: Vancouver Art Gallery

Address: 750 Hornby Street, Vancouver

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All this can not be good for Charest's image as the premier of Quebec.

quizzical

i don't think they care 'bout image anymore

NDPP

Thomas Mulcair must be thinking right about now that if things had gone differently, he might still be in the Charest cabinet.

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CBC says "thousands" - not "hundreds of thousands" - yet - more people are gathering, may be 100,000 by the end of the day.

 

ETA: CBC just updated to say the Montreal protest is massive. Cool

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CBC Newsworld: "thousands upon thousands of people, as far as the eye can see".

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Sent by a friend just now:

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Via Duncan Cameron on Facebook:

Paris rally in support of Quebec students. Vive la France. Link.

6079_Smith_W

OFL calls for Ontario students to follow Quebec's lead. Out of province unions helping fund student protests.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/05/22/pol-cp-union-out-of-pro...

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..2 seperate demos going on. one legal and one that defies the law. cutv estimates 1/2 a millon people total.

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NYC:  Solidarité avec les étudiants québécois!
http://occupywallst.org/article/solidarity-quebec/  Today in New York City, we will demonstrate in solidarity with Quebec students and in defense of our right to protest. An increase in the powers of the police and the state anywhere is an attack on us everywhere.

 

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Paris: rally in support of Quebec students. Vive la France. Link.

NDPP

"Sellout student orgs & unions like FECQ and FTQ have shared demo route with police. Instead of defiance they collaborate."

Jaggi Singh (jaggimontreal) on Twitter

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"Sellout student orgs & unions like FECQ and FTQ have shared demo route with police. Instead of defiance they collaborate."

Jaggi Singh (jaggimontreal) on Twitter

 

Right. 

The resistance is getting too big so obviously it is time to fragment it by denouncing those who aren't real revolutionaries. 

That will defeat the government, for sure!

 

 

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Just protecting their asses from financial repercussions. It is the normal response of BC trade unions to injunctions and legislation stripping workers of rights and benefits. The "protect the brick and mortar" mentality is what makes a general strike impossible.

6079_Smith_W

If some organizations want to oppose the tuition hikes and Law 78 and feel they have to comply with the law while doing it, big deal.

And as for those "protect the bricks and mortar' unions, some of them, even outside Quebec, are providing financial support for this struggle. Should the students send that back on principle? 

Fuck these purity tests. Keep your eye on the ball.

 

 

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..my thoughts exactly 6079 smith!

eta

..it's not the union movements that are spearheading global change it's those that call for inclusion that includes union members.

NDPP

From Montreal to Madrid!

http://www.rt.com/news/spain-protest-austerity-education-895/

"Millions in the streets. Spain protests cuts to education. 'They are stealing from us in every possible way, and that can't be allowed to happen.."

cco

Jean Charest's new idea for dealing with student protests underestimated the size of the crowd.

Freedom 55

6079_Smith_W wrote:

If some organizations want to oppose the tuition hikes and Law 78 and feel they have to comply with the law while doing it, big deal.

 

I guess the big deal is that by voluntarily submitting to what they've previously denounced as an unjust law it could be seen as weakening their own argument against it. Another point is that their decision to share the route with police effectively takes that decison away from every other person and group participating in the march. And yet another point is that it's a failure to recognize their own power at this moment. IMO, if there's ever a moment to assert your political rights and not defer to the authority of the state it's on a day when you are able to mobilize 200-300 400-500 thousand people in the streets.

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I wonder what's going through Charest's mind as he watches all this unfold today - but not just in Montreal, but also internationally? Laughing

 

HuffPost: Quebec Protests Go International And Mock Emergency Law On Day 100 Of Student Strikes 

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Freedom 55

 

Unfortunately he's not suggesting that they'll threaten Harper's government, but rather, the fallout may eventually threaten his ability to keep Quebec within the federation. Which might not be such a bad thing for Quebec, but I'd rather see Harper go than Quebec.

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CBC: march has gone past 250,000 people - march takes three hours to pass any single point.

Mark Kelley will have a feature live in Montreal at 8 pm EST tonight on CBC Newsworld's Connect.

ETA: Kelley said what is obvious to everyone: that Bill 78 has energised the student movement.

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Thanks. I was having trouble understanding his position, if he has one.

6079_Smith_W

Freedom 55 wrote:

If there's ever a moment to assert your political rights and not defer to the authority of the state it's on a day when you are able to mobilize 200-300 400-500 thousand people in the streets.

I suppose that's one way of looking at it. I don't actually think one has to go out and break a law in order to demonstrate against it - unless there's a compelling reason, that is. Specifically, if some people don't feel they are able to meet the possible financial and physical risks, who has any right to tell them that they can't make their voices heard on their own terms? 

Besides, it seems like we have two authorities here to defer to - the government telling me WHERE the real protesters are, and Mr. Singh telling me WHO the real protesters are. 

But anyway, that's just my opinion. I do see the sense in yours , and I think people can take that stand and get into some civil disobedience if they want.

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Could Montreal protests expand across the country?

The Quebec protest movement could spread across the country, according to a group representing Canada's university teachers.

This comes as thousands marched through the streets of Montreal on the 100th day of protests against a hike in tuition fees.

The demonstrations have people talking and Jim Tusk with the Canadian Association of University Teachers says that lays the groundwork for the movement to expand.

"I think there are going to be discussions in student organizations and in families across this country in light of what is happening in Quebec and that will turn to what's happened in their own province and whether that is justified or not," he explained.

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The Canadian Federation of Students says it will be a big topic of discussion at the groups annual general meeting at the end of the month.

http://www.680news.com/news/national/article/365450--could-montreal-prot...

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I'm willing to negotiate: Courchesne

Education Minister Michelle Courchesne reiterated Tuesday that she is willing to negotiate with student leaders to end the tuition dispute.

“I am absolutely prepared for a meeting, totally,” Courchesne told reporters, adding that she has spoken to Léo Bureau-Blouin, president of the Fédération étudiante collègiale du Québec, and Martine Desjardins, president of the Fédération étudiante universitaire du Québec, but not to Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois, spokesperson for Quebec’s largest and most militant student association, the Coalition large de l’Association pour une solidarité syndicale étudiante.

“An association that calls for civil disobedience, the non-respect for the law, I have the impression they will not return to the table,” Courchesne said.

“Will they respect the decisions of the courts? Will they respect the law?” she added.

“I presuppose that they do not want to come back to the table.”

The FECQ and the FEUQ maintain they will not talk without the CLASSE at the table.....

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/willing+negotiate+Courchesne/6659698/story.html#ixzz1vemauPXR

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And those giving the orders are not "psychopaths". They are respectable, well-dressed, and very dangerous.

 

I know where you're coming from but I didn't like this. I don't think sarcasm plays.

NDPP

Stirring Canada From Its Slumber  - by Benjamin Campbell

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/05/22/stirring-canada-from-its-slumber/

"...Indeed we haven't heard talk of class struggle in decades, yet Canadians rarely seem to ask why that is. Most Canadians seem not to recognize the rightward shift of their entire political spectrum, yet alone that it has been a global phenomenon. The decline of the New Democratic Party from Tommy Douglas to Thomas Mulcair has paralleled The Third War of the UK's Labour Party, the corporatization of the American Democratic Party , and the sellout of Greece's ostensible Socialists.

This subordination of politics to business interests has been a steadily increasing for decades and proves Nadeau-Dubor's basic point about the iron grip that the global investor class has on our basic institutions of government..."

And still no word on the strike from Charest's former colleague Mulcair?

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NDPP wrote:
And still no word on the strike from Charest's former colleague Mulcair?

I posted his May 8th interview earlier, he talked about the strike but not a whole lot.

Freedom 55

Freedom 55 wrote:

I'm hearing from friends that buses and Metros have been ordered by STM management to refuse transit to students heading to and from demos.

 

...but it sounds like the transit union knows which side they're on:

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There was a show of solidarity from the Montreal transit workers union as hundreds of people turned out for the 29th evening protest, which was a rowdy but mainly peaceful march.

The powerful union, which denounced the law, urged its members not to drive buses used to transport police during the demonstrations. City buses are used to shuttle riot squads during the marches and often to house prisoners after arrests.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/22/tens-of-thousands-turn-out-in-mo...

NDPP

There's been more than a few significant developments since May 8th...

cco

My friend (and journalist) Justin Ling was arrested half an hour ago, though he now tweets he's been released. >:(

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Yup.

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TUESDAY, MAY 22 – SOLIDARITY WITH QUEBEC STUDENT STRIKE

Frankfurt, Chicago, Quebec. We are with you!

2pm to 4pm—Demonstrate, 1 Rockefeller Plaza
Demonstration in solidarity with the Quebec Student Strike
Outside the Quebec Government Offices at 1 Rockefeller Plaza

5pm—Gather, Check-in, Washington Square Park, North Side of Fountain
Gather to paint banners, make ‘book bloc’ shields, and cut red squares for the evening march.
Check-in for those who want to facilitate lectures, workshops, skill-shares, and discussions. Please bring all the materials you may need to make banners and host classes.

6pm—Free University, Washington Square Park, various locations-- check board on North Side of Fountain
Teach in/Speak out assembly about the Quebec student strike, the emergency laws, and the criminalization of dissent; followed by self-organized lectures, workshops, skill-shares, and discussions of the Free University.

8pm—Assembly and March, Washington Square Park
General Assembly and March against Repressive anti-protest laws worldwide

WEAR RED!

Organized by folks from Strike Everywhere and Occupy Wall Street.

Slumberjack

Is anyone else experiencing difficulty getting worked up into a lather, vicariously or otherwise, over the specter of what appears as mostly petit bourgeoisie angst about paying a similar amount of tuition like they do in other provinces?  Try not to get me wrong.  I mean, the sight of 10s of thousands marching in the street certainly has a nice ring to it, but when all is said and done, is it about anything other than a tuition hike?  If the govt. caved entirely or laid out an acceptable compromise...that's it?  The Quebec spring got what they came out for?  No other issue exists?  It seems to have always been the case you know, at least ever since Francis Bacon jotted down a few warnings and suggestions to the authorities in his essay "Of Seditions and Troubles," that middle management, which in his day ranged from the mercantile class to the landowner lords, were capable of shifting their allegiances toward the peasantry or the nobility as their fortunes dictated.  The question in this instance is how quickly will all the ancillary causes that mobilized and lent their support in the form of numbers in the street be abandoned, once the petit bourgeoisie are returned to a state of satisfaction with their place in the way of things?

Caissa

How large was the Kegaska demo, Boom Boom?

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SJ, the protests have moved beyond being just about tuition fee increases. It's also about student debt and other matters, among them being a concern for what is happening to our society and our civil rights, and a determination to recover the principles of democracy. And, lately, outrage over Bill 78.

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Oh, my goodness, the Kegaska demo exceeded expectations! Laughing

Slumberjack

Boom Boom wrote:
SJ, the protests have moved beyond being just about tuition fee increases. It's also about student debt and other matters, amonth them being a concern for what is happening to our society and a determination to recover the principles of democracy.

These are ancillary issues to the main event, wouldn't you agree?  Where would a resolution to the main event leave everything else?  Would the participants of the main event stay out in support of other causes that have attached themselves as things have unfolded, in an attempt to gain some popular traction?

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All good questions, I guess. But I think a resolution to the main issue - which seems highly unlikely given Charest's hard line - would not mean the protests would end. This is now a popular movement, and, in my opinion, can only grow - and across Quebec borders.

Charest can try repression, but beware of blowback.

6079_Smith_W

Slumberjack wrote:

These are ancillary issues to the main event, wouldn't you agree?  Where would a resolution to the main event leave everything else?  Would the participants of the main event stay out in support of other causes that have attached themselves as things have unfolded, in an attempt to gain some popular traction?

I don't think the question needs to be asked.

This is about public education, which I don't see as a concern to be denigrated by calling it "petit-bourgeois". It is the difference between maximizing people's access to what they want to do with their lives and more equal control, and our current system which is turning more and more into indentured servitude, a job machine rather than a place of learning, and a system where technology and training are all in the hands of those with enough money to pay for it.

It is not an unimportant issue. And as for whether anyone would do it for anything else, I don't really care. They can cross that bridge when they come to it, and this job is not finished.

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I went to Wiki to look up post seondary education in Germany after I read a comment about 'Austerity Queen' Anglea Merkel on Facebook, and also to see what alternatives there are elsewhere in the world to tuition fees and increases.

 

Tuition fees (Germany)

 

Most colleges are state-funded. In 2010, five of the 16 states of Germany charged tuition fees at state-funded colleges, while in 11 states tuition was provided free of charge. There are no university-sponsored scholarships in Germany, but a number of private and public institutions award scholarships, usually to cover living costs and books. Moreover, there is a law (BAföG or Bundesausbildungsförderungsgesetz) which ensures that needy people can get up to 650€ per month for 4-5 years if they or their parents cannot afford all the costs involved with studying. Part (typically half) of this money is an interest-free loan which has to be repaid. Many universities planning to introduce tuition fees have announced their intention to use part of the refunded money to create scholarship programmes, although the exact details are mostly vague.

 

and then I saw this:

 

List of countries with free post-secondary education

(This is not a complete list, and only countries discussed in the article are mentioned)

  • Argentina
  • Brazil
  • Denmark
  • Finland
  • Greece
  • Hungary
  • Malta
  • Mauritius
  • Morocco
  • Norway
  • Scotland
  • Sri Lanka
  • Sweden
  • Trinidad and Tobago
  • Barbados
  • Kenya

 

It appears that alternatives are possible.

Leigh

"Just protecting their asses from financial repercussions."

No, protecting their children from getting assaulted.

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