Student strike movement continues #6

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Fidel

M. Spector wrote:

Yes, this is a rare case that is the exception to your rule - that every action that upsets somebody else is planned, co-ordinated, and carried out by a secret cabal of mischief-makers who conspire to promote radical Islam and embarrass the NDP. And anybody who doesn't believe that is a conspiracy theorist.

Except that I never suggested the Quebec wing of the Libranos would resort to gladio for such a relatively small issue. Meanwhile the feds peeled tens of billions from health care transfers alone since 1995.

You're not going to like this one, either: NDP's policy on Quebec student unrest: more federal cash for education

You would fit right in with the Liberal Party and all their internet concern trolls is all I can say. You should consider campaigning for the yet to be Anti-NDP Party. I hear they might actually register as a party this year. You'll have to sign-up on the quiet, though, so as to remain non-partisan if only in your delusional mind.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

You'd fit right in with the Conservative Party, with your lies and conspiracy theories about Omar Khadr, designed to whip up hatred against him and prevent his repatriation, as well as your cheerleading for austerity programs and laws that criminalize protesters who cover their faces.

[And back on topic...] Not to mention your characterization of the Quebec student uprisings as a diversion engineered by the Charest government.

Fidel

[Contra-Contra attack]Try and focus on the topic of discussion at hand, will you? Because you're not making much sense even more than usual. I supported the NDP and their demands for the Liebrals to protect Khadr's rights. However, the TRUTH is that the Liebrals are a party of pathological liars who abandoned Omar Khadr as fast as they orphaned Leslie Hughes. And I think it's both a compliment and endorsement to the truth movement to have a clique of distinguished lying-liars oppose us in such a way. If I were you I'd try singing a different tune than what The Liebranos ® have for the sake of your own cred or what's left of it.[/off]

M. Spector wrote:
[And back on topic...] Not to mention your characterization of the Quebec student uprisings as a diversion engineered by the Charest government.

I never said that, either, but nice try. I said students protesting in the streets is a convenient diversion for the PQ junior wing of the Liebranos and their well connected friends in the private sector embroiled in corruption charges. The majority of Quebecers happen to be on the side of The Very Corrupt Liebranos ® (from here on abbreviated to TVCL) if only on the issue of tuition fees. That's not good for the kids or the fight for everyone's right to education.

I return you now to your concerted smear campaign against me based on whatever I wrote weeks ago in another thread which you don't even bother to quote from when steering us into the rhubarb.[/off2]

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

I've learned from the master.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

M. Spector and Fidel, stop your griping. You are disrupting this thread.

Unionist

[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/White+square+movement+calls+truce/6614377... square movement calls for truce[/url]

This initiative has drawn support from some interesting quarters. Will have to give it some thought. 

 

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

You're seriously thinking about this?

How about if someone came to a picket line and suggested the strikers go back to work for now and resume the strike months later - for their own safety, of course.

And right after the union had just voted overwhelmingly to reject the mangement's last offer!

 

Unionist

Well, because it includes a moratorium on the fee hikes. There has been no such offer ever from management in this case, and it's the sole demand uniting all the students. So it's a little different from your scenario. 

ETA: Here, have a look and tell me if you read it the same way I do:

http://sites.google.com/site/portezcarreblanc/

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Great!! A white flag movement by any other name is still a white flag.  Its time for the progressive political leaders and union leaders who have been steadily going backward for 25 years to get out of the way and stop trying to co-opt a real movement for change. 

Unless there is news that is not in this piece this white flag movement wants to destroy the strike in exchange for begging Charest to have a moratorium and talks in the fall.  Sounds like a lot of upper income families want their kids not to waste the money they have spent for their tuition so they are willing to talk.

 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..the parents are afraid for their children as i would be for mine. that does not change anything. it's the children's future and they will decide..just like i would want them to. let the parents oppose the government and it's subservience to capital.  

Unionist

Yeah, folks, please read the material before jumping to huge conclusions. No one is purporting to speak in the name of the students. Only the students will decide. And some of us may not like their decisions. But right now, by my estimation, they're in the forefront of the entire progressive movement in Canada, if not beyond. They need our support. And no, they will not singlehandedly overthrow the capitalist system on our behalf. They need a victory - one they can call their own.

 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..i do read what you post unionist. at least what i get from google translate when in french. i just disagree with this pressure being added to the students for them to change their behavior because yes it is worrisome that some may be hurt but more it challenges and disrupts the larger society and forces them to become involved to a greater degree than they may want. i don't speak of revolution but to take the oportunity to oppose the root causes in a very public and active manner.

Unionist

Wow. Glad you folks don't do much judging from afar. Are you this militant in your own struggles, or only other people's?

Meanwhile, there's a dangerous situation developing today, as the government is again playing its divide and rule game, having phone discussions at least with FECQ (and they claim also with FEUQ), but not CLASSE. Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois is quoted as showing interest in the moratorium proposed by the trade union leaders, among others (including Gilles Duceppe, progressive physicians, etc.). There's a report on it here:

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/349979/la-classe-se-dit-prete-a...

 

Slumberjack

Students don't necessarily have to gather as a mass target in the streets in order to continue with their strike.  They can still maintain their absence from the classroom and lecture hall as a tactic within the collective struggle, and at the same be absent from the crosshairs of the police and their co-opting auxiliaries alike.  Make of it that when the pig media complain once again about demonstrations of violence in the street, it would have to be an account of the keystones pummelling one another; the result of a lack of volunteers whereby curiosity gets the better of them.  A once a week impromptu gathering to celebrate solidarity, disseminated and held at a moment's notice, should suffice as a tactical adjustment to the current plans underway to involuntarily disperse the students.

Freedom 55

Offices of the SQ at night:

 

 

Nous Sommes Tous Art wrote:

Nouvelle projection de Nous Sommes Tous Art sur les bureaux de la Sureté du Québec. En réaction à la manifestation de Victoriaville vendredi le 5 mai 2012 lors du congrès du Parti libéral du Québec. 400 blessé-e-s selon les services de secours présents, 3 blessés graves dont certains auraient été atteints par des balles de plastique de la SQ. Plusieurs blâment la police et leur utilisation abusive des armes de répression tel que les gaz irritants et les dites "less lethal weapons". Notre premier ministre a salué le travail de la SQ, le qualifiant de «remarquable» «étant donné les circonstances»...

New projection of We Are Art on the offices of the Surete du Quebec (Provincial Police). In response to the manifestation of Victoriaville Friday, May 5, 2012 at the Congress of the Quebec Liberal Party. 400 injured people as emergency services present, with very serious injuries, some of which have been hit by plastic bullets of the SQ. Many blame the police and misuse of weapons of repression as irritating gases and so-called "less lethal weapons". Our Prime Minister, Jean Charest, has praised the work of the SQ, calling it "remarkable" "given the circumstances" ...

 

Slumberjack

Unionist wrote:
Continuing the strike and just staying home would hamper mobilization and motivation. It would be seen not as a tactic, but a defeat. Something else is needed. 

Mass arrests and beatings could go some way toward hampering motivation as well.  No martyrs need be created by an all too willing police offensive chomping at the bit.  New tactics are needed to counter the National Assembly's edict for the violence to commence for sure.  Physical presence where the state can role out its strategy to negate everything, made all the more easier for the police thugs because everyone has conveniently gathered in selected locations, vs. a social networking presence with the capacity to update everyone instantly, even if they're sitting in far smaller groups in cafes spread out all over the place.  They could be sitting next to cops munching away on donuts for all they'd know.

Fidel

Slumberjack wrote:
  They could be sitting next to cops munching away on donuts for all they'd know.

 

My sister was a cop. She said if you ever do need a policeman-officer, call the donuts and coffee shop. Nine out of ten times there will be at least one cop there.

Unionist

But the next battles will be at the gates of the schools. Collège de Rosemont wil open its classes tomorrow in response to injunctions. Failure to picket is not an option. Plus there is the next massive march scheduled for May 22. And the students have pledged to march every night till the end. Victoriavile was an exception. The students have managed to control the handful of vandals very well in recent weeks. What no one can control is sabotage like that of the smoke bombs.

Continuing the strike and just staying home would hamper mobilization and motivation. It would be seen not as a tactic, but a defeat. Something else is needed.

 

Unionist

Police injure one student (17 years old, pepper sprayed and hit on the head by a police baton) at Collège de Rosemont - but VICTORY! - mass picketers succeed in getting administration to cancel classes, despite injunction!

Also, the four student associations (CLASSE, FECQ, FEUQ, TACEQ) were on a conference call with the education minister an hour ago - not sure if it's still ongoing.

Finally, several demos are taking place this morning. Long live the Maple Spring!

ETA: [url=http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/dossiers/conflit-etudiant/201205/14/01...'s a report[/url] about the blockade of the education minister's office this morning in Longueuil - about 150 demonstrators, the riot squad intervened and used pepper spray to open the picket.

Also, the article has a detailed report on the action at Rosemont.

Here's the education minister's office:

Unionist

Classes were also cancelled at Collège Édouard-Montpetit, in spite of the court injunction.

At Collège Lionel-Groulx, on Montréal's north shore, 150 picketers showed up this morning. The administration was "evaluating the situation" as to whether to respect the injunction there, or cancel classes. Awaiting further developments.

As for Rosemont, here are some other views of this morning's events - totally gratuitous on the pigs' part, as the announcement of cancellation had already taken place before they attacked the students:

Slumberjack

Unionist wrote:
 - totally gratuitous on the pigs' part...

That's the spirit!

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

Demo: Support the Quebec students' movement - no to police violence!

    • Wednesday, May 16, 2012

    • 5:30pm until 7:00pm in UTC+01

5 Trafalgar Square, City of Westminster, SW1Y 5BJ

Support the students’ movement in Quebec! Stop the violent police repression! Demonstrate outside the Canadian High Commission to denounce police attacks on Quebecois students! 17:30-19:00, 16 May, 1 Grosvenor Square London W1K 4AB.

Sign the online petition against police violence <a href=“http://www.avaaz.org/fr/petition/Violence_policiere_actuelle_dans_le_cadre_du_mouvement_de_greve_des_etudiants_quebecois/”>here</a>...

https://www.facebook.com/events/362420050482304/

Unionist

This morning, the four young people charged with setting off smoke bombs in the Métro last week were remanded in custody for a bail hearing on May 23 (by consent), to give the defence more time to examine the evidence.

Meanwhile, hundreds protested outside and inside the courthouse (watch the videos):

[url=http://www.cjad.com/CJADLocalNews/entry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10383054]Suspected smoke bomb bail postponed, protesters block media[/url]

 

Unionist

[url=http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/dossiers/conflit-etudiant/201205/14/01... struggle at Lionel-Groulx[/url]

The administration, facing injunctions, refused to officially cancel classes today - but hundreds of masked demonstrators have made it physically impossible to hold classes. Many teachers are standing in support of the students, as usual, condeming the recourse to injunctions and the orders (which they are refusing) to cross picket lines put up by democratic decision of their students.

 

Freedom 55

[url=http://thepeoplesbookproject.com/2012/05/14/ten-points-everyone-should-k... Points Everyone Should Know About the Quebec Student Movement[/url]

 

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1)            The issue is debt, not tuition

2)            Striking students in Quebec are setting an example for youth across the continent

3)            The student strike was organized through democratic means and with democratic aims

4)            This is not an exclusively Quebecois phenomenon

5)            Government officials and the media have been openly calling for violence and “fascist” tactics to be used against the students

6)            Excessive state violence has been used against the students

7)            The government supports organized crime and opposes organized students

8)            Canada’s elites punish the people and oppose the students

9)            The student strike is being subjected to a massive and highly successful propaganda campaign to discredit, dismiss, and demonize the students

10)            The student movement is part of a much larger emerging global movement of resistance against austerity, neoliberalism, and corrupt power

 

The blog elaborates on each of these ten points.

Unionist

LINE BEAUCHAMP IS GONE!!

All over Twitterverse. Just happened. Quit? Fired by Charest? He just gave a speech saying he was going to announce "new measures" to ensure order, very menacing.

I predicted weeks ago he'd use her as a scapegoat when the time came. Let's see if this ushers in another phony "agreement" or more fascist suppression. In either case, the students and their allies will need to be more vigilant than ever now.

ETA: Sorry, just to remind everyone, she's the (apparently ex) Minister of Education. She has been the face of government stubborn refusal and denial throughout this movement. Beware of tricks ahead.

Unionist

"Line Beauchamp" is now trending worldwide on Twitter.

What a creep. She said she's quitting (after the conference call with the 4 student unions this morning) because she's "no longer part of the solution". But in making her statement, she says she has "lost confidence" in the students' desire to settle the conflict!

Of course, just to prove she's a liar, she also is quitting politics entirely - resigning her seat in the assembly. Huh? Explain that? Lost faith in the cleaning staff??

Fuck off, good riddance, na na na na, na na na na, hey hey, goodbye!

Unionist

Ok, here it is - [url=http://youtu.be/rY0WxgSXdEE]official report[/url] on Minister of Education's resignation.

 

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Don't forget how many times it was reiterated that she was making the "ultimate compromise." Er...

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Unionist wrote:

But in making her statement, she says she has "lost confidence" in the students' desire to settle the conflict!

Reminds me of Bertolt Brecht's lines in The Solution [Die Lösung], in response to the Stalinist bureaucrat in East Germany who declared that the people had "lost the confidence of the government" when they revolted in 1953:

Quote:

But wouldn't it be
Simpler if the Government
Simply dissolved the People
And elected another?

Unionist

Lol!! Thanks, Spector!

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Beauchamp is not going anywhere...She's simply going to cross the floor to the CAQ.

Freedom 55

[url=https://www.facebook.com/events/276935242401835/]Manifestation de soir : le problème, c’est pas Line, c’est la hausse ![/url]

 

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Manifestation, ce soir (14 mai), 20h30 sous le thème: «le problème, c’est pas Line, c’est la hausse!»

Aujourd’hui, la ministre Line Beauchamp vient de démissionner. Si cette démission est un geste conséquent devant la grogne populaire envers le gouvernement Charest, il ne règle aucunement le problème fondamental : la hausse des droits de scolarité. Le Parti Libéral doit assumer, régler le problème de fond. Reculer sur la décision d’hausser les frais de scolarité.

Ensemble, on a bloqué Line.

Ensemble, on va bloquer la hausse.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Unionist wrote:

Wow. Glad you folks don't do much judging from afar. Are you this militant in your own struggles, or only other people's?

I did not see a call from any of the three striking student unions to engage in this action. I never take actions that are not sanctioned by the strikers themselves. I'm old school that way.  It is the students strike not their parents nor Duceppe's nor any union leaders.

Unionist

Kropotkin, I agree in general, but this time Nadeau-Dubois welcomed the call for a moratorium (that's basically the demand, after all, and it's better than what they all signed for!). He just wanted details on the duration and conditions.

Meanwhile, we have a new minister - or rather, a recycled old minister of education - Michelle Courchesne. Plus ça change...

 

NorthReport

Quebec student crisis badly mismanaged by Jean Charest’s government

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1178347--hebert-queb...

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

The CAQ must be foaming from the mouth...They'll definately use this as an election hot point,playing into the idiot fringe who are labeling the protesters as 'terrorists' and calling for mass arrests much like we saw during the October Crisis.

Where are the PQ?

Freedom 55

alan smithee wrote:

calling for mass arrests much like we saw during the October Crisis.

 

By way of comparison, it should be noted that just under 500 people were arrested during the "October Crisis". I believe that during this strike the Charest government has already surpassed that number several times over.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Freedom 55 wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

calling for mass arrests much like we saw during the October Crisis.

 

By way of comparison, it should be noted that just under 500 people were arrested during the "October Crisis". I believe that during this strike the Charest government has already surpassed that number several times over.

 

Wow..sorry,my bad.

But I have heard some (mostly anglo,BTW) calling for the Army to intervene.

Will that happen?..I doubt it but seeing that trhe LIberals are now toast in Quebec,there's a huge threat that the CAQ will benefit...And that's bad news for the students and ALL Quebecers.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Charest has a one-seat majority now, with three byelections that could be called - all in safe Liberal seats according to Jean LaPierre on CTV's Power Play. The PP panel thinks Charest will call a provincial  election by the end of August. He also said the population is in 2/3's support of Charest versus the students.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

It will be interesting....I hate the LIberals but the CAQ are even worse,if you can believe it.

If Charest loses any of those by-elections,the Liberals will be in trouble.

The MSM,especially the English media have been tar and feathering the students..It's outrageous that these kids who threw smoke bombs in the metro are being charged with terrorism.

One quack from McGill's political science wing said the 'terrorism' charges are appropriate and went as far as to compare it with the London and Madrid metro bombings and that these students created an element of fear.

I was on my way to work when the metro was shut down and there was alot of angry people that were inconvenienced..Certainly NOT afraid.

If the English op-ed pieces and the vitriolic comments hold any weight,people will be looking for a tough and fascist alternative and the CAQ definately fits that bill.

On verra.

Unionist

alan smithee wrote:

The MSM,especially the English media have been tar and feathering the students.

Do you ever read the [url=http://blogues.journaldemontreal.com/martineau/franc-parler/demission-de... de Montréal[/url]? This is a class issue (no pun), not a linguistic one.

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It's outrageous that these kids who threw smoke bombs in the metro are being charged with terrorism.

They haven't. Look at the charges more carefully.

 

 

Fidel

Freedom 55 wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

calling for mass arrests much like we saw during the October Crisis.

 

By way of comparison, it should be noted that just under 500 people were arrested during the "October Crisis". I believe that during this strike the Charest government has already surpassed that number several times over.

 

Yes there were issues of organized crime and corruption within the Quebec government then, too. The Shawinigan Strangler was Trudeau's muscle on war measures.

I think there were more people arrested or rounded-up at Montebello and Toronto during G20 protests by comparison. We have our own little dictator in Pinocchio McGuilty heading up the Puerto Ontarian wing of the Liebranos.

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Unionist wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

The MSM,especially the English media have been tar and feathering the students.

Do you ever read the [url=http://blogues.journaldemontreal.com/martineau/franc-parler/demission-de... de Montréal[/url]? This is a class issue (no pun), not a linguistic one.

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It's outrageous that these kids who threw smoke bombs in the metro are being charged with terrorism.

They haven't. Look at the charges more carefully.

I'll check out the Journal piece...I'm sorry,I was reading CTV Montreal....I get tired of reading comments,mostly the usual suspects ,with their francophobia and Quebec bashing.

I guess I was mislead because I read that the students were facing charges of terrorism and CTV had some political scientist from McGill make a case for it.

I should know better to read the francophone press and ignore the English media...my mistake.

 

ETA ; I stand corrected.

 

 

NorthReport

63 to 59 with 3 vacancies - Charest might be getting close to losing his majority

Unionist

People pepper sprayed for protesting the new municipal bylaw banning masks at demonstrations. This place is turning fascist, but it isn't discouraging anyone. After this protest ended, thousands assembled for the nightly student march, which is now ongoing.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Bylaw+protest+ends+night+demo+starts...

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

Student Power!

Like you, I was eagerly awaiting today's mid-afternoon news conference once word circulated that Premier Jean Charest was going to address reporters about the on-going student crisis.

I was hoping the Premier was going to announce a deal, or at least progress towards reaching a deal, over the government's demand that students pay more for university tuition. I sure didn't expect Line Beauchamp's resignation as the province's minister of education. Few people did, I suspect.

You've heard by now that Treasury Board president Michelle Courchesne will take over the ministry she once headed.

So what does this mean?

If nothing else, students will see this as a victory. They don't have the tuition fee freeze, yet. But they've managed to get a high-ranking cabinet minister, who also just happened to be Quebec's deputy premier, to not only step down but to quit politics altogether.

It seems to me this will only convince students they are on the right track; they're sticking together while managing to oust the now previous education minister from the process of trying to find a solution.

Time will tell if Courchesne will be more effective. I don't know about you, but I'm not holding my breath.

We'll talk about this during my show at 8 o'clock tonight.

http://www.cjad.com/blog/BarryMorganShow/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=1038...

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

Quebec's education minister resigns amid student crisis

video with english translation

Quebec Education Minister Line Beauchamp announces her resignation, saying it is because she 'doesn't see herself as part of the solution

http://en.video.sympatico.ca/watch/quebecs-education-minister-resigns-am...

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I wouldn't start celebrating yet - maybe Beauchamp knows what Charest has planned and didn't want to be a part of it. Could be nasty business ahead.

 

NorthReport

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