Student strike - nightmare of the 1% (#14)

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Fidel

kropotkin1951 wrote:

You should know better Fidel.  They both take their orders from the same type of people.

Okay but who should voters and protesters hold directly accountable for the stoogery, big business or their hirelings in government? The people can't unelect SNC Lavalin or Power Corp execs. I'm not a shareholder in any of those companies and so have no real say in their shady dealings. But ordinary people can certainly place blame squarely on the shoulders of herr Harper running the overall horror show and Mulroney's former cabinet minister heading up the Quebec wing of the Liebranos.

Bärlüer

cco wrote:
When do we get the Law 78 injunction ruling?

Nobody knows... Should be soon.

Brachina

It appears that the PQ are switching sides and no longer supporting the students.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/search/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2...

Meantioned near the bottom of the artical.

The student response appears to be oh well, who cares.

Truth is the PQ only supported the students to score points, when no points were to be had and the Liberals started rising back up in the polls, the PQ abaddoned the students.

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You trust what you read in the NatPost?

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You trust what you read in the NatPost?

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146 Greek Academics Shows Solidarity With Quebec Students (from Coop Média de Montréal)

excerpt:

We, academics in the Greek universities, express our solidarity to the extraordinary student mobilization in Quebec: the longest and largest student strike in the history of North America, which is now evolving into one of the most powerful anti-austerity campaigns in the world.

Unionist

cco wrote:
When do we get the Law 78 injunction ruling?

This was one of the court actions (not the same injunction I don't think?):

[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Quebec+students+lose+first+round+bat...
Court dismisses Quebec students' attempts to strike down elements of Bill 78 and Montreal bylaw [/url]

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The challenge to parts of the city of Montreal’s P-6, the bylaw dealing with public protests, had been put forth by Julien Villeneuve – a CEGEP philosophy professor and popular mascot for the Quebec student strikes, also known as Anarchopanda.

Rolland ruled on Wednesday that it “is not appropriate” to suspend articles 2.1 and 3.2 of Règlement P-6, adopted May 18, and has rejected Villeneuve’s injunction. The articles in question maintain protesters provide police with an itinerary of their assembly and abide by it at least eight hours prior to gathering, as well as prohibit participants from covering their faces.

Rolland stated in his ruling there had been 387 demonstrations between February and May, with 33 police officers injured. Rolland noted that while many protesters continue to cover their faces, they do not adopt Anarchopanda’s famously pacific attitude and “sadly do not share his objectives — that is, peacemaking.”

In Rolland’s ruling, the defence for the city of Montreal also acknowledged that the nightly protests have continued without being declared illegal despite protesters failing to issue their route to the police in advance.

Bärlüer

Today's rulings were on the motions to suspend the operation of the law (Bill 78) & by-law (P-6). As I've posted in an earlier thread (or perhaps in another section...), it's extremely hard to get those, in large part because of a jurisprudential "presumption" that validly enected laws are in the public interest.

The hearings to address the actual challenges to the law & by-law will take place later (not before the fall).

NDPP

the Chilean students too have been at this for a very long time. Here's the latest:

Police Unleash Water Cannons, Teargas on thousands of Chilean Students

http://rt.com/news/police-tear-thousands-government-054/

 

 

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Thanks - I had forgotten about those demos.  Considering the support Quebec students are getting from around the world, if we aren't already doing so, what are the best ways to support the students in Chile?  (I'm not a student...)

Unionist

Representatives of CLASSE will tour Ontario July 12-20 to meet with student associations and trade unions, with a view to exchanging experience, methods of mobilization, and strategies.

[url=http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/Ontario/2012/06/30/004-classe-ontario...

 

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I saw a post from Casseroles on Facebook noting there's a mass demonstration  July 22 - but no further information, nothing. Is this a student demonstration or something else? General Strike? (we can only hope...)

Unionist

It's the standard 22nd of every month march, Boom Boom - started March 22.

 

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Oh - okay.

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Been a while since I posted this classic:

onlinediscountanvils

I'm not going to excerpt this. Just read the whole thing.

[url=http://www.stopthehike.ca/2012/07/share-our-future-the-classe-manifesto/... Our Future – The CLASSE Manifesto[/url]

onlinediscountanvils

From the speaking tour I was fortunate to attend last week:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br0QdKC9a4I]What is a Student Strike?[/url]

onlinediscountanvils

[url=http://www.bloquonslarentree.com/node/12]Back to Class Means Back on Strike[/url]

Quote:

We know that capitalist austerity touches all of you in your own contexts, as governments the world over seek to whitewash their corruption and greed through the false rhetoric of cutbacks and privatization. We honour your local resistance but also seek your support as comrades in the struggle. The week of August 13-17 in the Montreal-area (where most of the striking Cégeps are located) is a crucial moment for the student strike. Either the strike will be crushed by Charest's "special law", or the strike will continue, with the support of individuals from all over Quebec, Ontario, the Maritimes and the USA converging onto Montreal between August 13-17. Join us in the streets and on the picket lines at CÉGEPs throughout this week. Consult http://bloquonslarentree.com for more details about housing and other useful information for anyone considering coming to Montreal to re-inforce the student strike.

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The P&P panel - especially Martin Patriquin - this week speculated that Charest will use the student strike to get elected to a fourth term in office. He has nothing else he can run on, and he wants to get the election over with before the Charbonneau Commission is fully up and running.

Lachine Scot

Sorry if this has been posted somewhere else on babble, it's summer and I haven't been following all threads as closely.

I quite liked this piece, although it comes off as slightly dry at first ;)

http://societyandspace.com/2012/07/06/jean-michaud-the-return-of-darkness/

JEAN MICHAUD ‘The return of Darkness'

"This brief history of the logic behind low tuition fees for higher education in Québec helps to realise that: 1) universal access to tertiary education in Québec is not a new fad germinating in the unripe brains of young leftist agitators, and that: 2) it was the state's very own idea on the recommendation of a Royal Commission, a choice that was respected and prized for four decades."

Bärlüer

The Commission des droits de la personne et de la jeunesse published today their analysis of Bill 78... and it is a pretty scathing indictment of this terrible legislation.

Basically, they found that sections 12 to 31 of the law, taken together, violate such fundamental freedoms as freedom of conscience, freedom of opinion, freedom of expression, freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom of association and that these violations are not justified.

The Commission has no power of invalidation, but their opinion obviously carries considerable weight, so this is a pretty big deal.

Here is their report and here is a press release about it. (No English version for the moment.)

Unionist

Françoise David, co-spokesperson of Québec solidaire wrote:
« À sa face même cette loi était condamnable, nous avons invité à y désobéir de façon pacifique. Aujourd'hui, la Commission nous conforte dans notre réaction de l'époque. Il est impératif que le gouvernement retire cette loi ou au moins en expurge les articles qui ne sont pas conformes à la charte.»

Ummm: "Even on a cursory read this law was condemnable. We called on people to peacefully disobey it. Today, the Commission validates our reaction of that time. It is imperative that the government repeal this law, or at least delete the sections which are not in accordance with the Charter."

ETA: And [url=http://www.bloquonslahausse.com/2012/07/la-classe-salue-lanalyse-de-la-c... weighs in[/url].

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- Vancouver Island Casseroles this Sunday in solidarity with Quebec! Casserole Cowichan Sunday at 19:45 at Providence Farm

- Manifestation nationale de la CLASSE : le 22 juillet, les néolibéraux... DEHORS ! Sunday at 14:00 at Place Emilie Gamelin

Unionist

80,000 demonstrated today in Montréal, with demos also in Québec City and Trois-Rivières.

[url=http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/355113/manifestation-etudiante-... squares despite the heat[/url]

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erivf37HkWE

Police declared the Montréal demo illegal before it started, of course, because no one told them where the student movement is headed! But they "tolerated" it because the students didn't carry out any suicide bombings or tactical nuclear attacks, contrary to their well-known terrorist proclivities.

 

Unionist

Sensible comments by rabble correspondent Ethan Cox on The Current this morning, about the role of the student movement in the upcoming election - especially, their need to be "warm and cuddly".

 

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[url=http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/201207/29/01-4560424-les-carres-rouges... squares follow Charest to Vermont![/url]

Get this... 1,000 people demonstrated in the streets of Burlington, Vermont, on the eve of the conference of eastern premiers and New England governors. Many wore red squares and condemned Charest, expressing support for Québec students. Also targeted were the Plan Nord and Hydro-Québec's attempts to expand its market.

Watch the video!

 

Caissa

A class action lawsuit has been launched against the city of Montreal on behalf of protesters who were arrested May 23 during a mass demonstration of student tuition fees.

Lawyer Marc Chetrit has filed the case in Quebec Superior Court alleging that the city and its police department violated Charter Rights during the arrest and detention of more than 500 people.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/07/31/class-action-lawsuit-student-protest.html

Fidel

I think all students need a concerted effort for protesting on Parliament Hill in Ottawa where the federal purse minders are at.

Unionist

Fidel wrote:

I think all students need a concerted effort for protesting on Parliament Hill in Ottawa where the federal purse minders are at.

Surely you mean the White House, where they phone Harper and tell him how much he can give Charest in transfer payments for education?

I'm just gobsmacked that all the provinces have such vastly different tuition fee schedules, given that Parliament Hill runs the show.

 

Unionist

Caissa wrote:

A class action lawsuit has been launched against the city of Montreal on behalf of protesters who were arrested May 23 during a mass demonstration of student tuition fees.

The aspect of the story getting lots of attention from the [url=http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2012/07/31/un-liberal-et-un-pequiste-po...ébecor media[/url] and other right-wingers is that the two individuals who filed the request are the lawyer Marc Chetrit (once a Liberal activist, supposedly) and Jean-Pierre Lord, a PQ riding president.

Fidel

Apparently some of us require no schooling in neoliberalism.

Quebec students seek to broaden strike, but CLASSE leaders capitulate to union opposition

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Its attempt to pressure the government into withdrawing the tuition fee hikes having clearly failed, CLASSE is increasingly adapting to the union-led campaign to divert the student strike and the broader opposition movement that erupted in response to the Liberals’ draconian Bill 78 behind a campaign to elect the big business Parti Quebecois (PQ). In recent weeks, CLASSE spokesmen have repeatedly indicated that they would view the defeat of Charest’s Liberals at the hands of the PQ—a party which when at last held office imposed the greatest social spending cuts in Quebec history—as a positive outcome for students and working people.

I feel badly for them. The big business-friendly PQ will likely betray them, again.

United we stand. 

Unionist

Asshole Keith Jones farts in public again, from his lair somewhere in the U.S., condemning Québec union leaders and student leaders and political parties for not being "socialist" enough.

Someone should explain to him that the emission of such stenches does not make him a public figure.

Grandpa_Bill

Unionist wrote:

Fidel wrote:

I think all students need a concerted effort for protesting on Parliament Hill in Ottawa where the federal purse minders are at.

Surely you mean the White House, where they phone Harper and tell him how much he can give Charest in transfer payments for education?

I'm just gobsmacked that all the provinces have such vastly different tuition fee schedules, given that Parliament Hill runs the show.

The fact that all the provinces have such vastly different tuition fee schedules seems, on the face of it, evidence that Parliament, though a sponsor, does not run the show.

In other words, there really is a point to students acting at the provincial level.  They don't need to truck off to Parliament Hill, as Fidel suggests, or truck off to the White House, as you would (tongue-in-cheek, I'm sure Cool) would have them do, eh?!

 

Fidel

That's right, Canada is a region of loosely affiliated northern colonies and territories existing for the convenience of corporate America to raid our resources at will. It's a kind of northern "ice box" administrated over by loyal appointees obedient to the corporatocracy and Uncle Whiskers. Canadians would replace the Harpers if we could figure out what they do. Apparently funding education is not one of their many colonial administrative tasks. The F-35's are really a Canadian-made warplane, and who needs billions in core funding for post-secondary? - not Canadian universities and colleges here in the ice box apparently. And apparently PQ can afford free tuition all the while subsidizing the warplanes made in America, the tar sands, and U.S.-based auto industry to the tune of 20%. Neoliberalism? What's that eh?

Brachina

Unionist wrote:

Fidel wrote:

I think all students need a concerted effort for protesting on Parliament Hill in Ottawa where the federal purse minders are at.

Surely you mean the White House, where they phone Harper and tell him how much he can give Charest in transfer payments for education?

I'm just gobsmacked that all the provinces have such vastly different tuition fee schedules, given that Parliament Hill runs the show.

 

That's so 90's Unionist, since Obama got elected Comrade Harper takes his orders from Beijing now, Washington is a has been.

Brachina

Unionist wrote:

Fidel wrote:

I think all students need a concerted effort for protesting on Parliament Hill in Ottawa where the federal purse minders are at.

Surely you mean the White House, where they phone Harper and tell him how much he can give Charest in transfer payments for education?

I'm just gobsmacked that all the provinces have such vastly different tuition fee schedules, given that Parliament Hill runs the show.

 

That's so 90's Unionist, since Obama got elected Comrade Harper takes his orders from Beijing now, Washington is a has been.

Fidel

And Diefenbaker wasn't a sellout, either. Old Dief stood up to the Mericans when Tories of the day sent thousands of jobs and an entire aircraft industry to the states. And what a bargain those dud Bomarc missiles were. F35's are just today's version of the Bomarc lemons.

And today Canadian taxpayers, Quebecers, too, continue subsidizing U.S.-based manufacturing and energy companies. And today's Tories are no different when allowing Canadian flagship companies to break up and be pawned-off to the four winds same as Avro, and same as Newbridge Networks and Nortel. And it looks like RIM will be the next target for predatory foreign takeover. Come take us over and hollow out the country some more, is what our two old line parties might as well say to the rest of the world.

We export Canadian based tech and innovation and jobs so that the country does not become so prosperous as to climb out of national indebtedness to private banks and foreign lenders and other superrich friends of the party. What does Ottawa's ability to pay the bills have to do with funding PSE? Plenty.

In fact, neoliberalism and defunding higher education to the tune of billions of dollars since the 1990's is part of the grand central plan to undermine Canada's economy and make us even more reliant on old world colonial-extractive resource intensive economies. Our two oldest political parties in Ottawa have made special efforts to defund basic research and home-grown innovation in order that Canada's remains a hewer and drawer economy. That's Uncle Sam's and the corporatocracies central planning not our dougheads in Lib-Tory federal government. Our corrupt stooges haven't had an original thought in their empty heads for a very long time.

Tories are not shrewd business types. In fact, they shouldn't be trusted to manage a lemonade stand. It's time to clear do-nothing lemons from the halls of powerlessness and political impotence in Ottawa.

Divided we fall.

Unionist

Scene from today's demo of several hundred students, "mères en colère" (angry mothers), and others, against a host of neoliberal policies. The demo was illegal, of course, because people are not allowed to assemble and express themselves without licking the boots of the authorities.

 

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Just saw this: Protesters disperse after Montreal police fire projectile

excerpt:

Moments later, police issued a dispersal order saying projectiles had been thrown.

 

The riot squad moved in, firing at least one gas projectile.

 

Concordia University student David Rankin said he was disappointed the police responded with such force when students were totally non-violent.

 

"They came in from all sides, intimidating the students and banging their batons on their shields," he said. "We weren't doing anything violent. The police just want to silence students."

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Lest anyone forget, the student demonstrations have morphed into far and beyond just being about student fee hikes, and I think that's what Charest and the police realize and what they are trying desperately to control.

I'm sure Harper and the other premiers are looking at Quebec and Charest's heavy-handed law (I think it called Law 78 or something) to see whether it actually works and actually shuts things down or not, because they know more demonstrations are coming - right across the country, and citizens, out of desperation, feel forced to stand up to that asshole bully Harper.

I think police in Quebec are itching to exercise the power that Law 78 (and other laws) gives them.

Bärlüer

Boom Boom wrote:

I think police in Quebec are itching to exercise the power that Law 78 (and other laws) gives them.

I'm sure some of them do...

But there was this interesting tidbit in a recent piece by Vincent Marissal in La Presse:

Quote:
Quant à la police, elle refuse, me disent des sources, d'appliquer la loi spéciale parce qu'elle menace l'ordre public en provoquant des débordements.

Translation:

Quote:
As for the police, sources tell me that it refuses to apply the special legislation because it threatens public order by provoking outbursts.

Furthermore, a little-known fact is that the sections of Bill 78 that aim to "maintain peace, order and public security" (the law's words, not mine), that is, sections 16 and 17, actually only apply to

a) persons, bodies or groups that organize a demonstration and

b) student associations or federations of associations taking part in a demonstration without being their organizer

that fail to "employ appropriate means to ensure that the demonstration takes place in compliance" with the new notification requirements (date, time, duration, venue and route of the demonstration and means of transportation).

This means that the police cannot rely on sections 16 and 17 of Bill 78 to arrest mere participants who are not organizers of a demonstration. On top of that, I believe there is even a question as to whether sections 16 and 17 could be used as a basis upon which police could arrest these targeted groups of people. I believe these provisions are essentially ones that establish liability in case of violations.

Unionist

[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Thousands+stage+peaceful+demo/712904... of students & supporters demonstrate today[/url]

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Awesome photo!

 

Unionist

[url=http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/est-quebec/2012/08/26/003-manifestati... demonstrate in Rimouski against fee hikes[/url]

 

Unionist

[url=http://www.cutvmontreal.ca/]LIVE: Cops all over Université de Montréal[/url]

[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/least+classroom+UQAM+occupied+protes... disrupt classes at UQAM and UdeM[/url]

ETA: Seven students are apparently detained right now, on allegations of vandalism perhaps. The police, who are I think running in the election, made sure to say that they were NOT present because of Bill 78 - rather, it's the Criminal Code, because some emergency exits were being blocked. That would explain the large contingent of cops. Very big exits I guess.

 

Bärlüer

A powerful (and revolting) photo taken in an UdeM classroom by Quartier Libre (the student newspaper):

Unionist

Things have changed a bit:

[url=http://www.cjad.com/CJADLocalNews/entry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10420025]First arrests under Bill 78[/url]

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Quebec's controversial back-to-school law was wielded for the first time ever by Montreal police after showdowns involving masked protesters disrupted the reopening of universities Monday.
   
Police opened investigations into 19 people at Universite de Montreal for allegedly violating provisions of Bill 78, a police spokesman said.

[...]

The legislation had been essentially ignored during Montreal's nightly street demonstrations that lasted throughout the summer, with police opting to detain protesters under municipal bylaws.
   
But now with schools opening, and with one week left in a provincial election campaign, Montreal police have for the first time taken steps to charge people under the law.
   
``It is the first time that people have been detained under that law,'' Cmdr. Ian Lafreniere said in an interview.
   
``These people have been released with no conditions. They received a paper mentioning they are under investigation with Law 12 (Bill 78).''

We'll see, tomorrow, whether Charest tries belatedly to resuscitate his "law and order" campaign. Somebody told the cops to use this legislation. They're too fucking stupid to have thought of it on their own.

 

Unionist

Six women and five men were arrested by police this morning at the Université de Montréal. The administration did not call for police to enter the campus. Five have been released, and the others will apparently be charged with "assault police".

[url=http://www.ledevoir.com/societe/education/357918/rentree-universitaire-o...

Unionist

As the number of arrests rises to 21 this afternoon, Québec solidaire issued this statement:

[url=http://www.quebecsolidaire.net/des-gestes-inacceptables-du-spvm-sur-le-c... actions by Montréal police at Université de Montréal campus[/url]

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