Student strike - nightmare of the 1% (#14)

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Unionist

Some 56,000 university and CÉGEP students affiliated to ASSÉ are on strike today, the last day of the week of protest as part of the international week of action against the commodification of education. A mass demonstration will be held at 2 pm starting from Square Victoria, just as on the 22nd of every month since last February's launch of strike action.

In a communiqué, ASSÉ denounced the vision according to which education must necessarily respond to the needs of business.

They are also demanding the withdrawal of all charges related to the strike.

Unionist

Huge success.

Thousands of striking students and their supporters took to the streets this afternoon in response to the call of ASSÉ. While the main theme was for free education and against the commodification of education, other themes included support for the struggle of the Palestinian people and opposition to the PQ budget.

The demonstration was declared "illegal" within minutes (because no one would tell the cops where they were going, contrary to a new Montréal bylaw adopted during the strike). The riot squad was on hand throughout, but there were no altercations or arrests.

Beautiful!!

Unionist

Finally an English-language report on yesterday's march, from the McGill Daily:

[url=http://www.mcgilldaily.com/2012/11/students-mobilize-against-commodifica... mobilize against commodification of education[/url]

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Last week was marked by student strikes and protests across the world, including more than 60,000 CÉGEP and university students on strike in Quebec on November 22. Yesterday, the Association pour une solidarité syndicale Étudiante (ASSÉ) organized a demonstration in Montreal in solidarity with the ongoing student movement, drawing about 5,000 protesters into the streets, according to ASSÉ spokesperson Jérémie Bédard-Wien.

“We’re marching in solidarity with the hundreds of thousands of students who are fighting daily against the commodification of education in other countries as part of the global strike in education week,” Bédard-Wien told The Daily. “We’re proud to join this global movement today.” [...]

Bédard-Wien claimed that the scope of the protest reached beyond Quebec and struggles over tuition.

“We’re not only marching in solidarity with the student movement, but also with the Palestinian struggle as it faces, once again, attacks from Israeli imperialists. We’re not a movement that’s content with fighting for only our rights, but also to improve society and link up with other progressive parts of society,” he explained.

 

Unionist

200 delegates representing 60 student associations gathered in Trois-Rivières this weekend for the second National Student Conference. They agreed to continue the mobilization of students in the coming months, including the holding of general assemblies to decide what issues to put on the table at the upcoming Summit promised by the PQ during its election campaign.

[url=http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/mauricie/2012/12/01/001-asse-rassembl...

 

Unionist

This should be fun.

[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/education+summit+reveals+deep+rifts/... summit reveals deep rifts[/url]

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After Tierry Morel-Laforce, vice-president of university affairs for the Fédération étudiante universitaire du Québec (FEUQ), said lower tuition is needed because students are so stressed about their level of debt, Claude Montmarquette, president of the Centre for Interuniveristy Research and Analysis of Organizations (CIRANO), angrily interrupted to ask why someone else should pay.

“If not the students, why put it on someone else, on taxpayers?” he demanded. He said the government acknowledges it is a beneficiary of universities by currently providing more than 85 per cent of the cost of an education.

After the panel discussion, Montmarquette said he is disappointed and discouraged by the level of the debate from student leaders, and is consequently “pessimistic” about any real solutions coming out of the summit in February.

“It’s too easy to say students are stressed, or this is a societal choice,” he said. “This is not a realistic position.”

He said asking young, burdened workers to pay higher taxes to support students who don’t want a tuition increase isn’t fair.

I've sent a thank-you note to the pseudo-economist hirelings of the 1% for ardently defending the interests of workers against students.

 

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Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois: On capitalism, Quebec politics and the student movement

rabble.ca sat down recently with Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois, the former spokesperson for student group CLASSE, and one of the most recognizable leaders of Quebec's social movements, for a feature interview.

http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/ethan-cox/2012/11/gabriel-nadeau-dubois-...

Unionist

Gabriel has been sentenced to 120 hours of community service.

The appeal has already been filed, and that hearing will commence January 22.

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If Gabriel loses the appeal, can he at least select what 'community service' he has to do? Can it be union organizing? Laughing

 

ps: when I lived in northern Ontario, I was asked to take on a person who had to do community service, and I said yes - it was someone I knew well, and I enjoyed his company.

lagatta

The little apprentice scaboid Morasse who persecuted Gabriel doesn't even know what "community" means. 

Unionist

My translation:

[url=http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/Montreal/2012/12/12/001-bard-recours-... profiling: Professor arrested for wearing red square seeks to launch class action against city of Montréal[/url]

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A UQAM professor has filed a request in Superior Court for a class action against the City of Montréal. Guillaume Bard maintains that he was searched and detained illegally by police in June when he was wearing a red square in support of striking students.

On June 10, during Grand Prix weekend, Guillaume Bard was questioned by two police officers at the Berri-UQAM métro station. When they asked to look inside his bag, Mr. Bard asked whether they had a warrant. They replied that they didn't need one, because they were enforcing a bylaw of the Montréal transit authority. But, according to the applicant, such a bylaw does not exist.

Guillaume Bard had used his digital tablet to record the incident. According to him, one of the two police examined the tablet, stopped the recording, and erased it.

Such incidents (challenging anyone wearing a red square - including journalists, who wrote about it) reached epidemic proportions particularly that weekend. I'm eager to see where this class action leads.

 

Unionist

Another embarrassing blog post by Gilles Duceppe in the Journal de Montréal (good place for it).

Ostensibly, it's an attack on a spokesperson of ASSÉ (the largest student federation) for calling the Marois government "neoliberal". Duceppe says we should be "rigorous" in our use of language, and how can a government be neoliberal when it plays a major role in the economy (which according to him is the opposite of neoliberal ideology), maintains the lowest tuition fees on the continent, $7 per day child care, universal medicare, etc. etc.?

For that matter, he says, you can't call Charest's regime neoliberal either. He compares it to students allegedly comparing Charest to Hitler last spring [must have been during the time of Bill 178 - and throughout a strike movement during which more than 3,000 students and supporters were detained].

Bad, naughty, linguistically imprecise, hormone-intoxicated students!

Then he goes further:

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In fact, I faced criticisms which were just as ridiculous when I was leader of the Bloc Québécois. Some accused us of being leftists, without realizing that the Bloc was the first party to propose a free trade agreement with the European Economic Community, that the Bloc supported two Harper budgets because these budgets responded to our demands and those of Québec, that we met almost every year with the Chamber of Commerce, etc. Moreover, not a single Bloc election platform was more to the left than those of the PQ, including during the time when the PQ was led by Lucien Bouchard.

Time to throw in the towel, M. Duceppe, you neoliberal has-been!

Unionist

[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/montreal/Student+group+calls+underfu... group calls underfunding a myth[/url]

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Quebec’s university students haven’t let up on their contention that the underfunding of universities is a myth propagated by university leaders, depositing a brief on the eve of the upcoming summit on higher education that demands on independent body be established to study and oversee university financing.

As for the report by the Conference of Rectors and Principals of Quebec Universities (CREPUQ) on Tuesday saying the gap in funding between Quebec and the rest of Canada has now soared to $850 million a year, the Fédération étudiante universitaire du Québec (FEUQ) dismissed it as based on outdated data.

“They didn’t evaluate the needs, they just made a comparison,” said FEUQ president Martine Desjardins. “Underfunding isn’t a religion. We need concrete proof and we need an external commission to look into the numbers.”

Picketing and boycotting classes may not be the preferred expression of protest right now, but Quebec’s university students are as determined as ever to fight for a tuition freeze and an overhaul of the university financing system.

Unionist

[url=http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/quebec/2013/01/22/002-appel-gabriel-n... Nadeau-Dubois's appeal to be heard today[/url]

He had been sentenced to 120 hours of community service for "contempt of court", because last May he had said that students would use all means necessary to defend their strike, including picket lines. This was interpreted by some fascist judge as being a call to physically prevent students from going to class, contrary to an injunction at one specific institution.

Sorry I couldn't find an English-language story yet. Unfortunately, this seems to be the attitude of the anglophone media:

abnormal

So as someone that regularly receives masses of unsolicited resumes from students (a significant perctentage of which come from US schools - Ivy League and Top Ten) is this supposed to make me want to hire students from Quebec schools?

Unionist

abnormal wrote:

So as someone that regularly receives masses of unsolicited resumes from students (a significant perctentage of which come from US schools - Ivy League and Top Ten) is this supposed to make me want to hire students from Quebec schools?

I certainly hope not. In any event, I've sent out a tweet warning them not to send you their cv's. Don't thank me for all the time you'll save - my pleasure.

 

Unionist

[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Gabriel+Nadeau+Dubois+appeal+postpon... Nadeau-Dubois appeal postponed till fall[/url]

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Pending the appeal, the sentence imposed on Nadeau-Dubois will not be executed and he may travel outside Canada, as he did recently to France where he explained the case of Quebec students.

 

genstrike

abnormal wrote:

So as someone that regularly receives masses of unsolicited resumes from students (a significant perctentage of which come from US schools - Ivy League and Top Ten) is this supposed to make me want to hire students from Quebec schools?

As someone who is in a position to receive masses of unsolicited resumes, surely you are aware that it's a violation of human rights codes to discriminate in hiring based on political views, and dumb to brag about doing so on the internet.

Fidel

Unionist wrote:

[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/montreal/Student+group+calls+underfu... group calls underfunding a myth[/url]

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Quebec’s university students haven’t let up on their contention that the underfunding of universities is a myth propagated by university leaders, depositing a brief on the eve of the upcoming summit on higher education that demands on independent body be established to study and oversee university financing.

As for the report by the Conference of Rectors and Principals of Quebec Universities (CREPUQ) on Tuesday saying the gap in funding between Quebec and the rest of Canada has now soared to $850 million a year, the Fédération étudiante universitaire du Québec (FEUQ) dismissed it as based on outdated data.

“They didn’t evaluate the needs, they just made a comparison,” said FEUQ president Martine Desjardins. “Underfunding isn’t a religion. We need concrete proof and we need an external commission to look into the numbers.”

Picketing and boycotting classes may not be the preferred expression of protest right now, but Quebec’s university students are as determined as ever to fight for a tuition freeze and an overhaul of the university financing system.

The reasons for Canada's higher rates of post-secondary enrollment and achievement are various. And the reasons are more significant than their free market theoretical baloney. Why do we have higher rates of enrollment and such abysmal results when it comes to innovation, R&D and overall productivity here in the Northern colony?

What Canada lacks is innovation and spending on R&D. And it's because they've pawned-off 3 dozen key sectors of the economy to absentee corporate landlords since 1985. Canada is a bad example of how two old line parties have achieved so little with so much at their disposal over long periods of time in federal power.

The cure for what ails stagnant capitalism and mediocrity is always socialism.

The cure for what ails democracy is more democracy.

Unionist

[url=http://lifeonleft.blogspot.ca/2013/01/whither-quebec-left-and-student.ht... the Quebec left and student movement after the ‘Maple Spring’?[/url]

Interesting interviews with Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois as well as Éric Martin, who was an activist in the 2005 student mobilization.

ETA: Not wishing to be too critical, but the English translation is a bit on the stiff side... Those who can may want to read it [url=http://www.contretemps.eu/interviews/o%C3%B9-vont-gauche-mouvement-%C3%A... the original[/url]. It's from Dec. 15.

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..txs unionist a good read. direct democracy i think was the common thread between the students and the occupy. was also interesting how the young see our past. and so much more.

Unionist

My translation:

[url=http://www.quebecsolidaire.net/sommet-sur-leducation-qs-denonce-le-refus... summit: Québec solidaire denounces the minister's refusal to discuss free tuition[/url]

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The recent statements by the Minister of Education which in effect exclude free tuition from the discussions at the upcoming Summit on Higher Education have seriously undermined the confidence of QS in the process put in place by the government.

"It was supposed to be a democratic summit. Mme Marois said so, and her Education Minister repeated it: all options could be on the table. The refusal to discuss free tuition, even as a long-term perspective, constitutes a breach of trust which will be hard to digest for the students who are demanding free tuition," said Françoise David, member for Gouin, during a pre-session caucus of QS.

 

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Maybe its not so bad. After all Iraq, Libya and Syria were all guilty of giving their people free tuition and they got bombed for it.

Money mouth

Fidel

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Maybe its not so bad. After all Iraq, Libya and Syria were all guilty of giving their people free tuition and they got bombed for it.

Money mouth

That was the real context for sure.

Here in Canada they simply tell Canadians that democracy's hands are tied by central bankers and foreign creditors. They are teaching Canadians that their democratically elected governments are impotent in the face of international financial terrorism. Their impotence is not a real medical condition, though. Our corrupt stooges at the helm in Ottawa are merely feigning political impotence. Charade they are.

Unionist

The banner (probably) reads: "Education is not a commodity."

About 50 students demonstrated inside the Université du Québec à Rimouski last night in protest against the lack of real debate about tuition fees at the last of four preparatory workshops for the Education Summit organized by the PQ government. They were evicted by police and continued their demonstration outside, where they were noisy enough to still disrupt some of the discussions indoors.

The students objected to the stage-managed character of the workshops, which operate by invitation only.

[url=http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/est-quebec/2013/01/30/003-sommet-ense... here (en français)...[/url]

 

Unionist

Mme Marois has a small problem. Smile

She favours indexation of tuition fees. ASSÉ (with 70,000 members) has been demanded free tuition as a goal, and condemning the PQ for trying to keep that option off the table when the Education Summit opens later this month.

Now, it appears the youth wing of the PQ itself will present a resolution to this weekend's National Council of the PQ calling for a tuition freeze (i.e. no indexation) with free tuition in the longer term as a goal.

Should be interesting! [url=http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebec/370467/droits-de-scolarite-maro...

Unionist

Minister of Public Safety Stéphane Bergeron, under pressure from student organizations, says he's looking at options for conducting investigations into police tactics during the student strike. At the same time, he says he doesn't want to interfere with complaints under way to the commissioner of police ethics. He's being accused by student groups of trying to buy time until after the PQ's Education Summit, now scheduled for Feb. 26, so as not to revive old tensions in the leadup. Meanwhile, the PQ has now reduced the so-called summit to a day and a half (!), and the agenda still isn't clear.

Various sources, mostly in French. Trust me.

ETA: And here's an article about Pauline Marois regretting ASSÉ's decision to boycott the summit in protest against the PQ's rather obvious heavyhanded intent to introduce indexation of tuition fees irrespective of what anyone says at the summit:

[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/ASSE+boycott+Quebec+education+summit...É’s boycott of Quebec education summit: ‘Too bad but it’s their choice,’ Premier Marois says - Group is organizing a protest for Feb. 26, which it says will send a clear message that indexation of tuition is unacceptable’ [/url]

Unionist

Oh, and remember Constable 728?

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W05MoKEEYAk]Pepper-spraying passersby[/url]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gKYHgQySI4]Strangling and insulting "artists" months later[/url]

She's been on paid suspension since October 2. Last night, her cop buddies arrested her. She was freed this afternoon, but will appear at the courthouse on unspecified charges.

She deserves whatever the justice system metes out and more. But once again, the fascist crackdown of government and police can't be reduced to a matter of some spectacularly brutal individuals. A full investigation has been promised, and we'll see whether the government has the nerve to bring the culprits to account. I'm not holding my breath. [It makes you turn blue after a while.]

Unionist

Well, life unfolds. Marois said in the Assembly this afternoon that the question of legislating the right to strike for students will indeed be on the agenda (not yet published!) of the education summit next week. Apparently, this is at the request of the university and CEGEP directors, who don't want to be caught again between some students "boycotting" classes and others armed with court injunctions requiring the institution to provide them with service. The Liberals and CAQ are claiming to be totally opposed to any form of legislated right to strike for students. Interesting.

[url=http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2013/02/19/004-sommet-gre...

 

Unionist

The PQ government has still not issued an agenda for its education summit. Today, media asked education minister Pierre Duchesne whether he would "legalize" the students' right to strike (similar to the legal framework for unionized workers). He waffled and indicated that it wasn't a short-term prospect.

Meanwhile, some academics have been discussing alternative frameworks for how that could be done. [url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/02/13/quebec-student-s... article[/url] from last week describes their conclusions to date.

I'm not sure if it's a good idea or a bad idea, but I tend to the latter. Look how much the students have accomplished over 40 years of struggle without having the law to "help" them.

 

Unionist

Today, the PQ's fraudulent "summit" comes to an end. The grimacing hypocrite Marois declares success, imposing the "indexation" of tuition fees which the PQ has promoted all along - incapable of hearing the youth, just like the Liberals before them. And their servants, the fascist police, do their job.

But the students have tasted the fruits of their struggle, for generations. They will not yield. Over 50,000 were on strike today, and thousands demonstrated in Montréal. Marois, the cops, the university aristocrats, they are nothing before this new and vital force. They will be crushed.

[url=http://www.ledevoir.com/societe/education/371901/indexation-des-droits-d... demonstrate against indexation of tuition fees[/url]

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epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..i screwed up

 

 

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Unionist wrote:

Today, the PQ's fraudulent "summit" comes to an end. The grimacing hypocrite Marois declares success, imposing the "indexation" of tuition fees which the PQ has promoted all along - incapable of hearing the youth, just like the Liberals before them. And their servants, the fascist police, do their job.

But the students have tasted the fruits of their struggle, for generations. They will not yield. Over 50,000 were on strike today, and thousands demonstrated in Montréal. Marois, the cops, the university aristocrats, they are nothing before this new and vital force. They will be crushed.

[url=http://www.ledevoir.com/societe/education/371901/indexation-des-droits-d... demonstrate against indexation of tuition fees[/url]

..viva the que students! a force to be reconed with! fearless and determined!

Unionist

Québec solidaire:

[url=http://www.quebecsolidaire.net/une-indexation-irrecevable-des-chantiers-... indexation, promising task forces, and a major absence: the contribution of the financial institutions[/url]

Unionist

[url=http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Marois+plea+fell+flat/8019890/story....'s plea fell flat[/url]

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“Think it over,” Marois said turning to face student leaders directly after they said a 3-per-cent tuition increase was unacceptable. “If we managed to agree here, around the table, it will be quite a bit harder for the next government — because we are not eternal and another political party could take power — to throw all this into question.”

“If we succeed here, it’s unbreakable by another government that follows us without sparking a crisis. And I, for one, do not want another (one).”

Under the PQ plan, tuition will be indexed to the rate of growth of disposable family income, roughly 3 per cent a year. On average the increase will cost students $70 a year.

The previous Liberal government wanted to increased tuition by $1,625 tuition over five years. Under the PQ’s plan, tuition would grow roughly $350 over five years.

“We can continue to reflect but cannot put this decision off forever, this summit must reach a conclusion,” Marois said. “Do we want to spend another six months, a year, spinning in circles? A consensus would be nice but waiting is not the solution.”

Her pitch fell flat.

The students, the left-wing Québec solidaire and the province’s unions were not buying her line, arguing everyone should go on talking about the issue for an indefinite period.

 

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These pictures today made me feel deja vu:

Slumberjack

Marois said in the closing address of a Montreal summit that assembled students' associations, university leaders, unions and social groups."We have succeeded in putting the confrontations behind us,"  "The social crisis is behind us."

socialdemocrati...

Marois makes a valid point. While the students are off trying to win the battle for no tuition increase, they might very well lose the war and end up with a worse tuition increase. It's tough as someone who believes that everyone should have equal access to post secondary education, regardless of income.

Unionist

socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:

Marois makes a valid point. While the students are off trying to win the battle for no tuition increase, they might very well lose the war and end up with a worse tuition increase. It's tough as someone who believes that everyone should have equal access to post secondary education, regardless of income.

Yeah, when you fight too hard for your rights, the rich and powerful get really really pissed off and take away even more rights from you.

Thanks for the tip.

Unionist

Thousands have been marching again tonight in an echo of last year's nightly demos. The police declared it illegal. It seems that in the past while they've started using stun grenades and pepper spray in an attempt at dispersal. You can follow on Twitter at #manifencours or live here:

http://login.cutvmontreal.ca/broadcasts/2013/3/5/2525

Unionist

More on last night's march:

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/03/06/montreal-student... rekindle nighttime protest against tuition hikes[/url]

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"We are angry," the organizers declared in a Facebook page urging people to fill the street.

"The Pequiste increase is almost the same as the Liberals, except over a longer period."

Although peaceful at first, the march degenerated near its end as vandalism was reported.

Ten people were arrested on charges including assault and breach of conditions. At least another 50 people were ticketed for unlawful assembly.

Police say a demonstrator and a police officer were taken to hospital, the marcher after being hit in the leg by a stun grenade and the police officer for treatment of a minor wound near his eye caused by a flying projectile.

socialdemocrati...

Unionist wrote:
socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:

Marois makes a valid point. While the students are off trying to win the battle for no tuition increase, they might very well lose the war and end up with a worse tuition increase. It's tough as someone who believes that everyone should have equal access to post secondary education, regardless of income.

Yeah, when you fight too hard for your rights, the rich and powerful get really really pissed off and take away even more rights from you.

Wrong.

The real tip: when you punish your allies, you're also softening them up for your enemies.

It's not to say you should stand by your allies when they do things you don't like. So the expression goes "with allies like that, who needs enemies?" But there is a lot of daylight between what the Bloc is proposing and what the Liberals were proposing.

The only thing we know for sure is what this deal looks like. If there's no deal, there's a small chance of things being better, and (considering the CAQ and the PLQ) a massive chance of things being worse.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

Seen yesterday at the night march.

 Best translation I could come up with of the banner on the top of the page.

The essay/manifesto that this banner quotes from is in English, so you're translating a French translation of an English quote back into English! The original is: "We demand not a free university but a free society. A free university in the midst of a capitalist society is like a reading room in a prison; it serves only as a distraction from the misery of daily life." Source: http://www.revolutionbythebook.akpress.org/communique-from-an-absent-future-the-terminus-of-student-life/

Unionist

socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:

The only thing we know for sure is what this deal looks like.

There is no deal. What "deal" are you talking about??

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If there's no deal, there's a small chance of things being better, and (considering the CAQ and the PLQ) a massive chance of things being worse.

The students have fought for well over 40 years against governments of all parties to achieve and maintain their freeze. They fought Charest in 2005, and won, when he tried to shift $103 million from bursaries into loans. They fought his proposed increase in 2012 - a fight which many said they couldn't win, against an increase that looked paltry by standards anywhere else. They not only stopped the increase, they defeated his government and him personally.

Their struggle has never been about picking the lesser of two evils. It has been about maintaining the freeze, while never abandoning the cause of free tuition, which preparing to build those conditions.

I'm really not sure what you mean by "(considering the CAW and the PLQ) a massive chance of things being worse". Tripling of tuition fees? Expelling students whose families earn less than $1M per year? Shootings?

You seem to forget that the PLQ was in power - for 9 years. They tried to impose "modest" increases; they enacted draconian legislation to try to destroy the strike and the student associations; they unleashed the police thugs and presided over more arrests than any other event in Canadian history (over 3,000). And the students won.

So - what exactly would you like them to do now?

Of course, contrary to your apparent opinion, they are not idiots. They are capable of assessing political dynamics and building alliances. They knew when to call a stop to the strike movement and savour some tactical victories. They have no centralized structure and must constantly fight against the splitting tactics of governments and their agents.

It isn't Pauline Marois, the separated-at-birth twin of Jean Charest, who will teach students lessons as to when to leave well enough alone.

You may believe in "equal access to education regardless of income". That's great. But that's not what the strike was about (tuition freeze - which does not provide equal access) nor is it the long-term aim of the students (free tuition). I may have lots of ideas about how education should work and what tactics would best serve the students. But I confine myself to supporting them in any way I can. Trade union leaders who advised them in May to call it quits on the basis of a treacherous deal offered by the Liberals clearly showed the perils of substituting one's brilliance for the impetuous spirit of the youth.

 

socialdemocrati...

I'll concede my point. You're right. Students HAVE been battling this for years. And for all the austerity hype about how we're in crisis NOW and need to act NOW, I should know better and recognize the same song and dance. The fact that they won the freeze, and then held it this long, under similar threats... I have optimism the students know what they're doing. The only thing I don't concede is that you know how this plays out. Nobody kows. That's why you hear murmurs among the student groups debating the best strategy, even if the official stance is to stand firm.

Unionist

socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:

 The only thing I don't concede is that you know how this plays out.

Sorry if I gave that impression. I have no clue what the future holds.

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That's why you hear murmurs among the student groups debating the best strategy, even if the official stance is to stand firm.

Right. And that's why my position is one of an ally, of support - not of lecturing. That's why I mentioned what the union leaders had done last May, and for all I know they may have played a similar role in the summit. I trust the students. They've richly earned it.

 

Unionist
Unionist

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/03/23/montreal-arrests... police arrest 294 on anniversary of student protest[/url]

lagatta

Yeah, "preventive kettling". It was pure chance (something else I had to do) that I wasn't there, several friends (all way over typical student age) were also planning on going. The march hadn't even started. Fucking pigs. And fucking whoever is responsible for this repression.

I think we should organise an "all ages" family and senior-friendly action to protest this police riot.

Unionist

It was Tremblay who freaked out last year and forced passage of the "itinerary" and "mask" bylaws. At that time, the cops didn't intervene until they found some pretext ("projectiles" was the favourite one), often hours into the demo. Now someone has obviously ordered them to intervene immediately, and even beforehand - we saw the "preventive" arrests recently.

What I want to know is, what the hell is happening with the court challenge? I guess the Bill 78 one died when the PQ came to power and killed the bill. But the municipal bylaws in Montréal and Québec (perhaps elsewhere?) are exactly as bad. Wasn't Anarchopanda challenging this?

Where's Bärlüer when we need him??

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