What going to happen with champlain bridge!

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Lefauve
What going to happen with champlain bridge!

Look like Harper gov found the perfect spot to punish quebec. The champlain bridge.

 

This bridge is have reach is usefullness and will be soon obselete. But Harper gov don't want to ear a about building a new bridge before the old one colapse. Probleme is if we shut that bridge there will be major economical problem in the region and will affect the  ontarion and maritim province to by cutting a way and slow down the traffic making the travel much longer.

The other consequence of the bridge shutting down will be to give sovregnist more amunition for sovreignty.

 

Sean in Ottawa

The infrastructure story was on the news today with people saying that tourists might stay away because of fear or inconvenience. I wrote a letter to "Montreal" today. Perhaps a little off topic but here it is (I sent it to the Montreal Gazette) I thought some might find it interesting.:

Letter to the people of Montreal:

I watched the stories this week about infrastructure in your city potentially causing tourists to stay away. Even before then, I was thinking of writing a letter to you to thank the people of Montreal for sharing your amazing symphony orchestra with us last week but on seeing these stories I knew I must.

My family lives in Ottawa. We came with two friends last week and visited your city. We chose that date because of the Montreal Symphony Orchestra concert in Verdun. We spent much of the day showing our two friends around - one of whom was from China and had never been to Montreal. We visited the old port, the Olympic buildings, the science centre, the mountain, and old Montreal. As always your city is beautiful, your people welcoming, your architecture exciting, your history intriguing and your culture incredibly rich. The concert we saw was a highlight of our summer. They were truly wonderful. I love classical music but for a family like ours it is so costly to go to the symphony and this was the first time I had the opportunity to see an Orchestra of such high calibre since I was a child.

Nothing will keep us away from visiting your city and being so grateful for your warmth and atmosphere. We intend to come back later this month. Our Chinese friend was incredibly impressed and wants to come back as well. We love Montreal and we will see you again -- very soon.

 

DaveW

I love Montreal, have moved there 2 times from Toronto, and might move there again;

BUT the infrastructure -- roads, bridges, overpasses -- were allowed for decades to deteriorate, and the punishing spring rite of swerving to avoid all the pothoels is unworthy of a developed economy ....

 this summer, road/bridge repair has become a major, maybe THE major , Montreal political issue on radio hotline shows and in the press:

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/index.html

Sean in Ottawa

Sure but worth it nonetheless.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Montreal was my second home, after Ottawa, for the 60s and 70s. Loved the place. I've been back since, but not often enough.

Gaian

Lefauve wrote:

Look like Harper gov found the perfect spot to punish quebec. The champlain bridge.

 

This bridge is have reach is usefullness and will be soon obselete. But Harper gov don't want to ear a about building a new bridge before the old one colapse. Probleme is if we shut that bridge there will be major economical problem in the region and will affect the  ontarion and maritim province to by cutting a way and slow down the traffic making the travel much longer.

The other consequence of the bridge shutting down will be to give sovregnist more amunition for sovreignty.

 

And of course, that's not the only problem about new bridges - anywhere these days. The president of the Federation of Canadian Municipalities got a letter into the Globe the other day saying he expects the "new, long-term infrastructure plan" being put together in Ottawa for all municipalities will be "a step in exactly the right direction." He's gotta be a Conswervative. Oh for the days of Jack's leadership of that foundering organization.

The Globe printed my letter the next day saying: "Others may be holding their breath as to what a regime also promising lower taxes and less government involvement has in mind. The Champlain Bridge proposal may have initiated the indrawn breath."

Could we have more news out thataway from the Quebec contingent? Don't keep us in suspense.

cco

Quote:
The Montreal regions’s two toll bridges — Highway 25 and Highway 30 — opened within 19 months of one another. They are 50 kilometres apart. They were both built on Transport Quebec’s order.

But drivers need two transponders and two accounts if they want to automatically pay the tolls as they drive over the spans. And a third may clutter windshields once the new Champlain Bridge opens in 2018.


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In the US, 25 different (government) toll agencies in 15 states have managed to standardize their transponder systems. In Québec, the "private partners" aren't even willing to standardize two for the same city. Just imagine if New Yorkers needed different transponders for the Triborough bridge and the Lincoln tunnel.

al h

Quebec should use some of the EQUALISATION payments to pay foe the new bridge like other CITIES in other provinces of Canada do.  If the bridge ever gets classified as unsafe then it must be closed even if the new bridge is not built yet.  Hopefully Quebec hurries and separates and takes their language, both spoken and written, from Canada soon.  What a waste of money.  Quebecs separation would also help speed up western Canada separating from all those eastern buffoons with their little minds and their huge problems, one of which is welfare.

onlinediscountanvils

MegB

Buh-bye al.

DaveW

Yes, new Champlain now on fast track, feds stepped in before it blew up more, politically and otherwise

... initial fault, for the record, was decision by western Tory govt of Dief in 1958 to go with cheaper design...other old bridges ok at century mark

at that time, Al, recall AB was a relative have-not province, so the cycle turns...

cco

And now they want to toll the Champlain ($7 is the number floating around) but not the other bridges or the Lafontaine tunnel, without even an inkling of what that'd do to traffic. Then after a few months of horrific jams on the 720 and various surface streets, they'll decide the other bridges need to be tolled too. All this will be a giant slap to the economies of both Montréal and the South Shore. Harper's little bit of payback for us not voting for him. And here people said only Chris Christie would pull something that petty.

cco

Ottawa pourrait imposer un péage sur trois ponts montréalais

Not to say I told you so, or anything. (Weirdly, they want to toll the Mercier and Jacques-Cartier but not the Victoria or the Lafontaine tunnel.)

DaveW

Well, Harper govt. is building it,

Christie in NJ made the crazy decision to cancel NJ-NY tunnel project during great recession..

DaveW

still proceeding, with construction start on for 2015;

the temporary bridge for Nun's Island was officially completed, on time and under budget, they announced loudly:

http://tinyurl.com/pxk7zwk

 

 

 

cco

Built by Pomerleau, whose CEO is on record saying corruption doesn't really exist here, Québecers just care less about quality.

I give it six months until it falls into the river.

DaveW

to revisit March 30th

cco

Appropriately enough, in today's news: Pomerleau project manager charged in contract scheme

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I'm all for polls on our highways and bridges.

We can't fix our infrastructure without funds. And we've attacked our social safety net enough already.

swallow swallow's picture

We have to take a poll to drive into Montreal now? Sheesh, where will it end? (Sorry Alan, couldn't resist.) 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

 

swallow wrote:

We have to take a poll to drive into Montreal now? Sheesh, where will it end? (Sorry Alan, couldn't resist.) 

TOLLS..not polls. Pardon my English.Embarassed

Unionist

swallow wrote:

We have to take a poll to drive into Montreal now?

Why not... the polls should take taxis? Who's next... the serbs?

 

cco

My objection isn't to tolls per se, just the disastrous way this one is going to be implemented. Commuters from the West Island won't have to pay a dime, but those from Brossard (and now Kahnawahke) will. And we'll go from tolling one bridge to three (already there) to all four and the tunnel, and most likely they'll be contracted through separate PPPs, and require mutually incompatible transponders, and the South Shore economy will take a big hit.

There's already a great system in place for user-pays when it comes to road infrastructure. It's called the gas tax.

NorthReport

It’s a slap in the face to be told new $5-billion Montreal bridge should be paid for by the rest of Canada

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Michael+Smyth+slap+face+told+billion+Mon...

Unionist

NorthReport wrote:

It’s a slap in the face to be told new $5-billion Montreal bridge should be paid for by the rest of Canada

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Michael+Smyth+slap+face+told+billion+Mon...

What an asshole. I know for a fact there are intelligent people on the west coast. Don't they allow them to write for the Province?

 

NorthReport

Is the Champlain Bridge part of the TCH?

Maybe the reason Smyth is ticked is that perhaps he lives in the Fraser Valley and there is now a toll on the new Port Mann Bridge which is $3 each way? So he is probably asking why BCers have to pay a toll but Quebecers don't?

Perhaps a much better question is why tolls at all?

But of course this is just another part of the neoliberal adventure which is privatizing as much as the highway/road system as possible, with the resultant tolls.

 

NorthReport

Indignation over proposed Champlain Bridge toll is unwarranted

First, let’s be clear about the scale of the tariff. The latest estimates suggest that a toll of about $3, with variations to account for peak and off-peak traffic and commercial vehicles, will cover costs. This seems right: A $4-billion investment that requires a 5 per cent annual return should generate $200 million per year. With about 50 million crossings a year, and higher charges for commercial vehicles, we arrive at the required annual revenue. Such fees are modest compared to many urban access charges. Entering London costs almost $15 per day. Navigating around Toronto costs almost $20 on Highway 407.

Second, there is something valuable to be learned from the Highway 25 bridge off the island of Montreal, also a public-private partnership. Users currently pay a little less than $3, but are almost uniform in expressing satisfaction with the smooth access and time savings that it provides. Revenues have been buoyant and congestion is low. Why would the Champlain experience be any different? Why are the public voices of indignation not also crying out against a system that we already have in place in Montreal?


http://www.theprovince.com/news/Indignation+over+proposed+Champlain+Brid...

 

Unionist wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

It’s a slap in the face to be told new $5-billion Montreal bridge should be paid for by the rest of Canada

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Michael+Smyth+slap+face+told+billion+Mon...

What an asshole. I know for a fact there are intelligent people on the west coast. Don't they allow them to write for the Province?

 

NorthReport

Condolences to Montreal motorists.

I can only imagine what would happen in Lotusland if they closed one of the North Shore bridges for the weekend.

Weekend bridge headaches loom for motorists

Champlain Bridge, Yellow Line and Highway 20 access road will be closed

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Weekend+bridge+headaches+loom+motori...

cco

NorthReport wrote:

Is the Champlain Bridge part of the TCH?


Yes.
NorthReport wrote:

Second, there is something valuable to be learned from the Highway 25 bridge off the island of Montreal, also a public-private partnership.


"Don't use PPPs."
NorthReport wrote:
Users currently pay a little less than $3, but are almost uniform in expressing satisfaction with the smooth access and time savings that it provides.

Unless any of those users also use the A30, for which they need a separate transponder.