To What Extent Does Wilson-Raybould's Recording Change Trudeau's SNC-Lavalin Problem?

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To What Extent Does Wilson-Raybould's Recording Change Trudeau's SNC-Lavalin Problem?

The url below contains Jody Wilson-Raybould's recording of her conversation with former Privy Council Clerk Michael Wernick. It supports her justice committee testimony about repeatedly warning the clerk and through him the PM that their attempt to intefere in the judicial process is inappropriate and "political interference" in the judicial process, as well as the veiled threats to her job if she does not change her position. 

– Former attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould was cautioned about a potential “collision” with the prime minister over the SNC-Lavalin file, by outgoing Privy Council Clerk Michael Wernick, a newly-released audio recording reveals. According to an audio recording of a conversation that the pair had, submitted to the House Justice Committee by Wilson-Raybould, Wernick said he was worried what might happen if Trudeau and Wilson-Raybould remained at “loggerheads” about whether or not to offer a deferred prosecution agreement to the Quebec engineering firm. In the audio, Wilson-Raybould can be heard issuing repeated and stern warnings that senior officials’ pressuring of her in regards to the SNC-Lavalin case was “going to look like nothing but political interference,” if it had been successful and the Quebec engineering company was granted the deal that many had been lobbying for.

She said she was absolutely confident in her decision and in response, Wernick said he was “worried about a collision then because he is pretty firm about this. I just saw him a few hours ago and this is really important to him.” The 17-minute audio file has been provided to all members of the House Justice Committee, as part of the new and supplementary evidence related to the SNC-Lavalin scandal that she handed over days ago. ...

The 43-pages of additional material also includes a written statement, as well as well as screen shots of text messages and copies of emails that she referenced during her initial testimony. The evidence has been uploaded to the committee's website. Chair of the committee, Anthony Housefather, has said that "no redactions have been made" to Wilson-Raybould’s submission by the committee, though there are portions of the submission that appear to have been redacted by Wilson-Raybould before it was submitted. ...

The conversation ended with Wilson-Raybould saying that she was “waiting for the other shoe to drop,” and that "I am not under any illusion how the prime minister has and gets things that he wants. I am just stuck doing the best job that I can."

In her written submission Wilson-Raybould said she recorded the conversation because she “I had reason to believe that it was likely to be an inappropriate conversation.” She said she had never done this before, and has not done so since. “I did this simply to ensure that my notes were accurate and given the ongoing pressure and attempts to interfere in this case, the nature of conversations that had occurred… and my strong suspicion that this matter would continue to escalate in even more inappropriate ways,” she wrote.


Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

I just listened to the 17 minute phone call between Wernick and Wilson-Reybould, and it is stunning. Wernick is the ultimate cynical politico, and JWR is the principled believer in the rule of law. Wow.

swallow swallow's picture

The audio without ad interruptions is at



With no disrespect to jerrym, Michael Moriarty, swallow, or NorthReport: Do we need another two or three threads on this issue?


No disrespect felt, and no we don't.

swallow swallow's picture

No we don’t need another thread, ideally these threads would all be merged. Just found the CTV audio with ads annoying so shared a direct link.

Sean in Ottawa

The problem for the Liberals is that the more this continues the more the healthy skeptism of Liberal politicians will change into active disbelief.

At some point, nothing he says will matter. He can call Brian Mulroney and ask what that feels like.


It is really hard to judge right now but I don't think this recording is going to change anything. 

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